Talk:Hendrix chord

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[edit] Jazz

You should mention that this chord is most prevalent in jazz. One common example is the turnaround in Freddie Freeloader by Miles Davis.

[edit] Synaesthesia

I never saw anything about Hendrix having synaesthesia before. This may have been invented by an over-imaginative journalist because of his talk about 'auras' and the lyrics of 'Bold as Love'. One gossipy newspaper article does not a fact make.217.44.176.159 (talk) 08:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed: "As Jimi was a synaesthete [1] {Fact|date=December 2007} < !--need a more authoritative citation for this statement -->, he saw this chord as a 'purple haze'; thus it is played under the word "purple" in the song." {dubious}" Hyacinth (talk) 11:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chord graphic

What's going on with the big graphic in the middle of the article? It clearly is based on G and when you click on it shows a different graphic built on F, but, Hyacinth, you're saying the graphic will catch up? How does that work? I've never uploaded a graphic; are you saying there's a delay? What accounts for it? McTavidge (talk) 03:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hyacinth, you said, "We'll say it's a G," suggesting that you've compromised or something. It is a G. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.41.253 (talk) 23:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blues scale represented by the chord

What pentatonic blues scale goes G A#(Bb) B D F and skips the C? McTavidge (talk) 03:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

See Hexatonic scale. Hyacinth (talk) 04:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I looked at the article on the hexatonic scale, specifically the part about the blues scale (seemed the only part that was relevant). Here it is:

Blues scale Main articles: Blue note and Twelve bar blues The blues scale is the minor pentatonic scale plus the #4 or b5 degree[1][2][3], however, since blues notes (or blue notes) are alternate inflections, strictly speaking there can be no one blues scale[4]. As named in contemporary jazz theory its use will be based upon the key and not the immediate chord[2], unlike some chords use in jazz.

The "blues scale" may also be a diatonic scale with lowered third, fifth, and seventh degrees[5] and blues practice is derived from the "conjuction of 'African scales' and the diatonic western scales"[6]. Steven Smith argues that ""to assign blues notes to a 'blues scale' is a momentous mistake, then, after all, unless we alter the meaning of 'scale'" [7].

I must be missing it, but where does this article cover my question? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.41.253 (talk) 23:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Which blues scale includes the notes of the Hendrix chord? None, since there is no blues scale, or the only blues scale, since there is only one. "Steven Smith argues that ""to assign blues notes to a 'blues scale' is a momentous mistake, then, after all, unless we alter the meaning of 'scale'". Hyacinth (talk) 00:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Huh? If there's no blues "scale" (as, you point out, Steven Smith argues), then the quotation doesn't make a lot of sense -- it takes as a given that such a thing does exist ("the whole of the blues scale") and then proceeds to say that the chord represents every degree of it. And yet when pressed, you say there is no such thing as a blues scale or that the 4th degree of it is optional.McTavidge (talk) 07:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Different scholars, authors, and artists have different opinions. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources. Hyacinth (talk) 04:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you not see how something can evoke another thing without exactly resembling it? Hyacinth (talk) 04:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
That's a testy response. You've been less than forthcoming on the rationale for this quotation -- cryptic, I'd say -- and now it's capital offense to ask you to explain. McTavidge (talk) 04:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Somtimes things vaguely remind people of things. Sometimes things exactly resemble things. Hyacinth (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The "Pink Floyd chord"?

This is only tangential, but as long as we're naming whole chords after individual artists . . . Does anyone out there think it's semi-appropriate to refer to the E minor ninth chord as the "Pink Floyd chord"? See Paint Box (song) for an incomplete list of all the prominent occurances of Em9 or Em(add9) in the Floyd's body of work. Basically, every album from DSOTM on, until Roger Waters left (if you count "Dogs", which is in D minor, due to downtuning) has an Em9, and not just in passing, but emphatically.

Incidentally, the Floyd did use the Hendrix chord in "Corporal Clegg" and several other songs, but that's just a coincidence, not relevant to my question.
--63.25.117.132 (talk) 15:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sound Sample

How about a sound sample? Thanks.DavidRF (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "the whole of the blues scale condensed into a single chord"

This article states:

"In essence," one author has written, the Hendrix chord is "the whole of the blues scale condensed into a single chord,"[3] this being possible because one version of the blues scale is pentatonic, or five notes, and the Hendrix chord is five notes: [depiction of G7#9]"

Is this quote being used out of context? Does the author literally mean, as this article currently contends, that the chord is a concatenation of the blues scale? I don't think so much sence since:

  1. What's generally understood to be the "blues scale" has 6 notes, a 9th chord has 5, and as played by Hendrix, the "Hendrix cord" has only 4;
  2. A blues scale in G would be G Bb C C# D F, but a Hendrix chord on G is G Bb B D F
  3. A convincing argument could be made that the chord is the "essence" of the Bebop scale (G A Bb B C D E F), but that's not what the quote actually says.

In short, I suspect this quote is being misused, leading to unnecessary confusion. Yilloslime (t) 22:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the (probably) improper literal interpretation of the quote, and attendant music theorizing. Yilloslime (t) 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First use of augmented 9th chord in pop music was by the Beatles in 1964

Just as the Beatles had the first recorded use of guitar feedback (the opening of I Feel Fine), they also have the first recorded use in pop music (as opposed to jazz or classical) of the augmented 9th chord.

It occurs in the climactic line of "You Can't Do That" (1964):

Because I told you before Oh, you can't do that

The sound of the E7sharp9 chord there is glaringly obvious.

But, yes, Hendrix popularized it, as did Steppenwolf in Born To Be Wild (1968), a year after Purple Haze and Foxy Lady (1967, three years after the Beatles' You Can't Do That).

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I don't know how to correctly edit Wikipedia (my Bible), but I hope somebody will correct the erroneous information about Hendrix being the FIRST user of the augmented 9th chord. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.151.99.94 (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)