Talk:Helmuth Hübener

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[edit] Karl-Heinz Schnibbe & Rudolf (Rudi) Wobbe

Do you think I should create an article deticated to them? Or is their role in the Hübener Group too small for them to be have one? ~Hyung-Qing Hong

[edit] 12th Article of Faith, D&C section 134

Your statement about D&C section 134 justifying Hübener's actions might be original research. Do you have a citation where someone discusses the case and offers some analysis?

I'm not convinced that Hübener truly violated the 12th Article of Faith; when a law is unjust, when a ruler is despotic, do you owe your allegiance regardless, because of what the 12th Article of Faith says? To take the point to absurdity, if there were any LDS Church members who were guards at the concentration camps, were they obligated as a matter of faith to obey the orders given them?

The reason I added that reference is that the 12th Article of Faith comes up in discussions of Hübener's actions, and is discussed at length in Thomas Roger's play about Hübener. Pfagerburg 21:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added a [citation needed] tag to the statement regarding Doctrine & Covenants section 134. It's not that I disagree with the claim, it's that it probably fails the original research test. If someone can find a reference where this claim is stated, then we add the reference. Otherwise, the claim has to go.

While it may seem obvious to some parties that Hübener was justified by various LDS scriptures or teachings, my understanding of WP:NOR is basically, "you can't say it in this article, unless you're quoting or paraphrasing another source that said it." So we need a cite.

And we might need a cite on my edit relating to the 12th Article of Faith, as well. Comments are invited. Pfagerburg 14:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great information!

I have never heard of this person before. However, the article needs to have some of the language made a little more neutral and opinions taken out. (I made a few changes along those lines.) Steve Dufour 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)