Talk:Helmand province campaign

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[edit] When did it all begin?

As far as I can see, the fighting in Helmand province began in june 2006, after the Helmand task force carried out its first offensive operation, operation Mutay, on June 4. I would dearly like to know why the intensive fighting that occurred between June 2006 and March 2007 is being presented as just a prelude for the "serious" fighting that happened afterwards. Top Gun, please explain your decision. Raoulduke47 (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV issue

The 1,500+ number of Taliban killed creates some POV issues. First, it is unsourced. Second, media has reported dozens of civilians dead, which I am sure the coalition says they are Taliban. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have put references for the coalition casualties, I have even put the number of killed British troops during the 2006-07 Taliban takeover even if this article was created with the purpos of talking about the coalition operations to retake the province, but as for the 1,500 taliban number, that is just a best estimate based on the reports on icasualties. Most probably a big number of those killed ARE civilians but there is no evidance. I mean c'mon, 1 coalition soldier killed and in contrast 100-200 Taliban killed, like that could happen what are tehy Terminators, but this is how it stands.Top Gun —Preceding comment was added at 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You're missing the point. If icasualties.org is just citing NATO press communiqués, then this has to be written clearly. NATO claims are not neutral figures.

Also you seem to have formed a rather erroneous picture of the fighting in Helmand. There was no sudden takeover in September 2006, as the Taliban already held way over much of Northern Helmand. Helmand province has always been a Taliban stronghold, since several years. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 19:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see 1,500 Taliban KIA on icasualties...--TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I agree with you Raoulduke47. It started in june 2006. And as for the 1,500 number it's not stated as that number on icasualties, but there is the archive of reports and is about 1,500 in those reports. I will add in the infobox that the 1,500 is a NATO claim.Top Gun —Preceding comment was added at 04:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

OK for the NATO claim. Now 2,000? Those reports are not visible. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The reports are in the archive, it is not stated in that way 2,000 dead but if you compile them. It was my best estimate that it was 2,000 based on the reports I read over the last year. We can not just put Unknown number of dead when they always stated how many they killed. Hmmm? How avout this lets not put 2,000 but in words Few thousand killed and then put beside that NATO claim. What do you say? Top Gun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.170.203 (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

June 4 was the date of operation Mutay (in Naw Zad), the first NATO op.(AFAIK) during which there was heavy fighting. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)