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[edit] Foley's fall through the cage

This spot was certainly not scripted. On his recent DVD he says 'the cage ripping and giving way was a complete suprise to both of us'. In his 2nd book, he states that the chokeslam itself was planned, but nobody expected the roof to give way. He also says it nearly ended his career. And furthermore, just look at the damage it did! I know Foley is nuts, but I don't think even he would agree to doing that spot, especially just a few minutes after going off the cage. He repeated it at NWO 2000, but that was into a softer ring which was rigged to collapse, and was therefore far less dangerous.

Thoughts?

I've never read anywhere that the Hell in a Cell fall was scripted, and the explanations given in this article about why it might have been can all be explained. Unless there's a source to back up this speculation, it should be pulled from the article. Bcarlson33 21:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I think it's worth mentioning, as Wikipedia clearly states, "What happened next was neither expected or even anticipated by Calaway or Foley." Saying that some debate what the really sequence of events was is alright, as long as it mentions it, but doesn't subscribe to it. Helltopay27 05:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, why would it be scripted. As if Foley's going to say "Hey Mark, once youve thrown me off the cell, I really dont think i'll be battered enough, so why don't you put me through it too." I mean come on, have some common sense. K-man-1 17:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not up to us to decide whether it was a spot or not. We just report what others have said. If he claims that it was a legitimate accident, then thats what gets put in the article. If a well-known personality or columnist has questioned this, then we can make a note of it. -- Scorpion 18:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect?

Why is the article "Hell in the Cell" now? I've NEVER heard it referred to as that.

I have, but still, you're right. It should be "Hell in a Cell". They call it "Hell in the Cell" when they specifically mention the cell being used in the match (usually when the match is taking place.
Vince accidentally (?) called it "Hell in the Cell" (instead of "a Cell") when he told DX that they'd be in one at Unforgiven this year. Oh well. Helltopay27 05:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
When Taker challanged/self booked Hell in a Cell 13 he said "Hell in the Cell" too, while JR at Unforgiven 06 said "It is called Hell in a Cell" so maybe the WWE feel the terms are interchangable.Night Bringer 19:18, 17 Febuary 2007 (GMT +10)

[edit] The new style of "Hell in a Cell"

I feel that the 30-foot tall Cell used in the first ever Handicap "Hell in a Cell" match between Vince&Shane McMahon and the Extreme Giant the Big Show versus Degeneration-X, Triple H and Shawn Michaels looked absolutely ridiculous.

It was obvious from the beginning that no action would be conducted atop the infamous structure because a fall from that height would probably kill whichever competitor was involved.

I also feel that "Hell in the Cell" matches should only be used after long feuds; for example HBK and HHH or McMahons and DX, because it is a match which should not be entered into lightly.

One final point on "Hell in the Cell" matches; I feel that the original ones involving Mankind, HHH, Undertaker,ect. were much more exciting and I wish that these matches could revert to their old quality and appeal.

Hasn't Shane jumped off the TitanTron before? That's taller than the new Hell in a Cell, right?
And even so, all of the Foley-esque Hell in a Cell bumps really almost defeat the purpose of the cell, in that once you're inside, you can't escape and there is no place to run or hide.

yes that is the point, but it adds something else that the "sports entertainers" can use to their advantage like TAKER v FOLEY. And anyway there is steel cage matches for the nowhere to run part. THE CELL is meant to be used to settle big feuds(see above), so it doesn't defeat the purpose of THE CELL.


1: Please sign your comments people. 2 To whoever started this discussion the new Cell was (I think most people would agree) created because it was almost impossible to execute airal moves from the top rope inside the original cell (eg Orton had trouble with his splash in HC 13). With the new design that is fixed and they'll now be able to use the smaller ladders properly with top of ladder moves being used. In short the new cell gives the competitors more options in what they're going to do inside the cell (which may have bee the reason they used the top of the old cell a lot) thus making it more exciting. Also times have changed so that it's no longer accepted to have wrestlers taking bumps from the height of the original cell without some kind of strong padding to break their fall at ringside (eg Taker's fall at Armageddon 06). Night Bringer 19:14, Feb 17 2007 (GMT +10).

Hello. I am the person which instigated this discussion. I now realise that there are many benefits of the new "Hell in a Cell" Cell and that my previous quibbles were slightly flawed. I would now like to see WWE compete with TNA on certain weapons orientated matches, for example Money-in-the-Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania inside the Cell. Signed: Dxmember619 20/04/07

When we say "Sign your comments", we mean after your comment type four of these babies: ~ Anakinjmt 12:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
The new cell is actually 40ft, the old one was 20ft and J.R or King stated at Unforgiven that it was twice as tall as the old design. It was made bigger for arial attacks, which is sort of a good thing, although i did prefer the tight constraints the old one had. Even if they still used the old cell there wouldnt be any more of the bumps from on top of the cell as WWE put a stop to them because too many of their wrestlers were becoming injured in matches like these, and again it did defeat the purpose of the Hell in a Cell. Even though the whole purpose of the cell was to keep the wrestlers in, it was obvious from the start that it had a roof for a reason, to make another place to fight on. This is clearly shown as the first four matches and, in all, over half of the mathes have made use of the roof as a place to fight on. Bm2 21:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Um, no. It's completely different from a steel cage match, as the WWE freqently reminds us. Keep it as a seperate article. Helltopay27 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. They may say it's not a steel cage match but it is still a steel cage match. There is no reason to have 2 articles on the same subject. L0b0t 15:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but Hell in a Cell is a long enough article already. We don't need it merged with Steel Cage and have two already large articles combine to form one rediculously huge article.
Please see WP:SIG. That is a sign that a lot of the cruft should be trimmed. L0b0t 15:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
A Hell in a Cell match is completely different from a steel cage match. In a steel cage, the only way to win is to excape. In a HiaC, it's pinfall only. Merging the two makes little sense, and a Hell in a Cell is a big enough deal within the WWE to warrant its own page. Now, I'm all for Ladder matches and TLC matches having the same page, but not steel cage and HiaC matches.
What would be the point of having a seperate article for the steel cage match, then? Why wouldn't it just be put in the Professional Wrestling Matches article? I think if the steel cage match has its own article, than the Hell in a Cell article should, too. Helltopay27 22:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
KEEP. Hell is a Cell is not a steel cage match. A steel cage match doesn't have a cage with a roof. There is a difference. L0b0t, watch wrestling more often, and maybe you'll understand. --ChrisP2K5 06:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


For the record, there are four ways to win a steel cage match. 2 escapes and 2 commons. 1) Out the door 2) over the top 3) pinfall 4) submission. I say this in response to the saying that there's only one way to win RabidWolf::
Yes, normally, but Hell in a Cell does not have those stipulations in place. You can only win by pin or submission. If the action somehow makes its way outside the cage (which it hasn't done in quite too long), the rules are not applied as they would normally be. So there are TWO ways to win, not 4. --ChrisP2K5 17:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Different match. Different rules. Different structures. Different Articles. Simple Bm2 21:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hiac6packchallenge.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:HIAC.jpg

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[edit] Reality Clarity...

Before I dive in and start editing like a fiend, does anyone else think that the "Background" section currently blurs the line between real-life and fictional (or, in this case, "kayfabe") events? Given that the entry deals with a style of gimmick match in pro wrestling in which the "legit" nature of some significant incidents is debated, should we not try to maintain as much clarity between the "legit" and the "kayfabe"? The bullet-pointed run-through of ways in which the cell has been breached currently seems to offer little distinction between the two, aside from the observation that one referee injury was "legit". Well, that's my first ever Wikipedia Talk entry... now, where's that tilde button...?

PedantKing 16:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too much detail?

Does each match and its buildup really need to be gone into in such detail? It also 'blurs the line between real-life and fictional' as mentioned above. 81.145.240.52 20:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, anyone else think the "description" of the Undertaker/Batista match should be changed/removed? As has been said 1000 times, this place isn't a wrestling news site, if ya want that, go to WZ or something.Taker04 13:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion?

Who deleted the match history for this? Someone please change it back. Mark handscombe 14:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Match History

Do you think a section should be added with a history with all the Hell in a Cell matches? a couple of them are mentioned in the article, but it may help to flesh the article outLynx Raven Raide 09:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

we need some pictures that show some of the matches that happen or even the HiTC itself SocialistRevolution 23:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor Series Match

I think the article for the SS HIAC is awful, it doesn't read professionally and sounds like it's being commentated. Plus, it has pretty much every move that happened. Don't suppose anyone can revert it back to the original text it had? 217.42.3.211 15:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The Armageddon 2005 match run run through has been deleted for some reason Mark handscombe (talk) 11:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)