Talk:Hell Is Other Robots/Archive 1

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Jolt

When Fender asks Bender if he wants a jolt, this is similar to the slang name "joint", refrence to marijauna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.138.131 (talk • contribs)

Goof: Bender's Arm

How is this a goof? The Robot Devil removes Bender's arm on "level 2" before kicking him down a chute, the next time we see him (with his arm re-attached, the Beastie Boys sing that we have descended to "level 5". There is no implication of the interim verse being levels 3 and 4, so it should be assumed that somewhere on one of these unshown levels Bender retrieves his arm. Qupada 02:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but doesn't the fact that we don't see it make it a goof? Because a lot can happen between each shot, but it's what we see that makes it important or unimportant. --Scott73337 15:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
It's a moot point. Wikipedia:Television episodes states that goofs should not be included unless they have been talked about in an outside source. Stardust8212 15:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Jacking On?

Should something be said about the fact that "jacking on" is a take on "jacking off", slang for masterbation? Just something that I thought should be mentioned in the "Cultural References" section. Ben.yarmis 03:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It's generally best not to start explaining every joke from the episode. The cultural references is more about references to specific pop culture items. Just my opinion though. Stardust8212 03:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Cultural references

As I recently brought up at the wikiproject (here) it is time we did something about the cultural references sections. I am moving all unsourced references to the talk pages for the time being in hopes of creating a better, more thoroughly sourced article. Please discuss this action at the wikiproject link above so as not to split it over 72 different talk pages. The information removed from the article follows. Stardust8212 02:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Great idea. I moved the unsourced "Miscellanea" section here below, as well. Cirt 14:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC).

Cultural references

  • One of the five punishments on the wheel of fortune on level 2 of Robot Hell is "pleasant massage", which is a reference to the "Spanish Inquisition" jokes of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
  • Fender's head and body are amplifiers, the latter has a Fender logo on it.
  • When first entering Sparky's Den, Bender's eyes are cracked blue, resembling both those of a spice addict in the Dune universe, and the bloodshot eyes usually associated with drug addicts.
  • The Robot Devil actually performs an excerpt from La Ronde des Lutins ("The Dance of the Goblins") by Antonio Bazzini.
  • When Leela says, "Who would have thought that hell really exists? And that it would be in New Jersey?" she is perhaps alluding to the famed Jersey Devil, while Fry's response of "Actually..." is a continuation of the running joke that New Jersey is an unpleasant place to live.
  • In the Temple of Robotology, prior to Bender's baptism, there are two lines of BASIC on a banner above the altar:
10 SIN
20 GOTO HELL
  • The symbol of Robotology that is welded onto Bender's stomach is the symbol used in wiring schematics for a resistor.
  • The location of Robot Hell is under a ride called the Inferno, which can be slightly linked with the Robot Devil's ironic punishments and Dante's Divine Comedy. It also parallels the Dean Koontz novel Hideaway, in which a serial killer who believes himself to be a demon prince of Hell performs satanic rituals under a ride in an abandoned amusement park.
  • When Fry and Leela first enter the amusement ride The Inferno there is a heart on the wall with "H.S & M.B." in the center, a reference to Homer Simpson and Marge Bouvier of The Simpsons.

Miscellanea

  • When Fry and Leela are about to enter Robot Hell, right after Fry presses the religious symbol to open the door, their reflections on the glass resemble the style in which the Simpsons were originally drawn in the Tracy Ullman Show.
  • The Robot Devil's musical talent (which is once again demonstrated in "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings") is seen in this episode when the Robot Devil plays a golden fiddle which according to Fry and the Robot Devil "would be weigh hundreds of pounds and sound crummy".
Note
  • I removed a "cite needed", because it's only a talk page, after all. From the note above, it's self-evident now that this stuff will only go back in the article if new sources/cites crop up to verify some of this stuff. Cirt (talk) 13:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC).

GA Review: Fail

I think this needs a reasonable amount of work, so I am going to pop this down as a Fail, rather than an "On Hold" to give you enough time to proofread the article an update it. I think after the corrections above, and tackling some of the issues that I've raised, it will be ready for GA status.

Lead

Little bit of editing needed here. I don't feel that the lead adequately summarises the plot, since the summary consists of three short sentences. I wouldn't expect a full exposition, but try toi rewrite this to make it flow a little better. Note also the unnecessary comma in "Bender develops an addiction to electricity at a party, after attending a Beastie Boys concert."

The second paragraph is good, but is the Temple of Robotology really a spoof on the Church of Scientology? From the episode, I would suggest that it is more of a version of a robot Baptist church. In fact, quoting from the linked wikipedia page: "Robotology is a religion created specifically for robots, and draws elements from evangelical Christianity and Baptist denominations." - it is merely the name that spoofs scientology, but this is not clear here.

Some references would also be good.

Plot

"Robotology" does not need to be wikilinked again.

Do items enclosed in brackets need to be there? The answer is not really, and they would be better incorporated into the text for readability purposes.

I would question that they bargain "for Bender's life" - Bender is never threatened with death, just punishment.

"Bender then promises to never be too good or too evil, just plain him." - I know what you mean :) But this doesn't work unless you know the line. If you want, rewrite this sentence to quote Bender.

Overall, this sectionneeds a fair bit of proofreading - it needs to flow well through the story. This may mean amending more than just the items I've suggested here

Production

I don't feel that this tells me a great deal, particularly the last sentence. I don't really know what that means, or in what context it is meant. I suggest [1] to see what level of detail would be helpful.

Other general points

A lot seems to link to reference 4 - is there nothing else that can verify these statements?

In "Themes" - should the comment about the guy refusing to work on the episode not appear in Production?

I see a lot of short sentences throughout the articles that could use mergin or expanding for readability. Watch the use of hyphens as well.

The article is pretty good, but just needs a little more work. Any questions, please let me know on my talk page. --Fritzpoll 17:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

A few of the items could be linked to the "Drawn To Television" book but I didn't see a need to cite the same statements from two different sources so I excluded them as the Pinsky book (ref 4) has the most complete coverage of this subject. I'll have a look at where I can expand the robotology issues from these two sources to make the connection more clear. Thanks for your thorough review and hopefully we can get it up to expectations in the near future. Stardust8212 19:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Stardust and I will do our best to address the above points, and re-nom this after some time has passed. Thanks for the suggestions on how to improve the article. Cirt 20:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
Addressing points from the GA review
  1. The Lead/Intro does not need to have any citations - it is merely meant to summarize the rest of the article - which should already be adequately cited. Cirt 20:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  2. "Temple of Robotology" - Multiple good sources seem to state that this is a spoof on "Church of Scientology". Cirt 20:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  3. Note also the unnecessary comma in "Bender develops an addiction to electricity at a party, after attending a Beastie Boys concert." - Y Done - Comma removed. Cirt 20:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  4. In "Themes" - should the comment about the guy refusing to work on the episode not appear in Production? - Y Done - Info moved to Production sect. Cirt 21:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  5. "Robotology" does not need to be wikilinked again. - Y Done - Removed some duplicate wikilinks from the plot sect. Cirt 21:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  6. "Bender then promises to never be too good or too evil, just plain him." - Y Done - Fixed this sentence so it's more understandable. Cirt 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  7. I would question that they bargain "for Bender's life" - Bender is never threatened with death, just punishment. - Y Done - Fixed this sentence as per suggestion from above. Cirt 21:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC).
  8. I've expanded the production section with more details from the DVD commentary and put a bit more detail which hopefully explains that confusing final sentence. Y Done Stardust8212 04:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

GA pass

Well done on these improvements. Alientraveller 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you! We appreciate it. Cirt 23:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC).

DVD Episode Commentary

These are notes from the episode commentary to assist people who don't have the DVD but would like to help. If you want more clarification on the notes please let me know and I will try to get you direct quotes. Other users who have interesting notes from the commentary but don't know where to add them to the article should also feel free to discuss them here. If you think something mentioned here should be included in the article please be bold and add it! Stardust8212 16:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Commentary by: Matt Groening David X. Cohen Rich Moore - Supervising Director (Directed this episode) Eric Kaplan - Writer Gregg Vanzo - Supervising Director John Dimaggio - Bender

  • Moore - Opening Cartoon is Betty Boop
  • Cohen - Big Bboys fan, only two appear (not Adam yauch), Waited 3 days w/ Ken Keeler to hear from them to be ready to record in New York but were unsuccessful, Adam Horowitz did Adam Yauch’s Voice
  • Moore - They didn’t want to do Fight for your right to Party
  • Cohen - Drug related issues are an example of what they can get away with with robots but not humans
  • Cohen - Phil Lamarr as robot preacher
  • Vanzo - Fry is wearing his “Charlton Heston” outfit
  • Moore - There was a religious person at the studio who refused to work on this episode because she didn’t like it’s content
  • Cohen - Song written by Eric Kaplan and Ken Keeler, music by Keeler and Christopher Tyng
  • DiMaggio - it was difficult because he was singing the lower harmony
  • Cohen and Kaplan- another verse was cut from the song
  • Kaplan - a lot was cut, enough for this to be a “three-parter”
  • Cohen - they really had started to loosen up with the writing and become more comfortable. The episode feels more like the later episodes
  • Moore - The army of demons they face are actually six animated characters that have been duplicated multiple times
I crossed out one that was already used in the article. Cirt 17:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC).
And a couple more. Cirt 17:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC).
Used another one. Cirt (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
Another. Cirt (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Peer Review

This article is currently undergoing a Peer Review. Please see Wikipedia:Peer review/Hell Is Other Robots/archive1, and if you can, provide feedback on how to improve this article's quality further to WP:FA status. Thanks, Cirt 16:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC).

Reception

I found a couple more sources and added them to the Reception section. Of course, it can't hurt to always be on the lookout for more sources for that section. Cirt (talk) 23:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

GA Sweeps (Pass)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 07:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)