Template talk:Healthcare in the United States

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Contents 1 Spam magnet - please add this template to your watchlists 2 Political Template 3 problems with template 4 Template commented out for now 5 Bringing it back up

[edit] Spam magnet - please add this template to your watchlists

New template {{Healthcare}} seems rather promotional (naming specific companies while excluding others), and might bear watching. Adding a promotional link to this template would have the effect of quietly spamming one's company name into many healthcare articles (currently 12) without any indication appearing on history pages to raise suspicion. --CliffC 04:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the companies for now Mineralè 23:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political Template

I do not believe this template explains Healthcare facts, this template explains healthcare policy options. Therefore it is more appropriate as a page about Healthcare policy options. However I do think it is a good idea to make a template that includes Healthcare in the United States along with policy options, but politics adn policy options should be clearly labelled. Mrdthree 09:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea provided it's developed by consensus and review the same way an article is. The problem I have with some templates, this one for example, is that they are developed unilaterally by one person and appear suddenly in many pages without any editor review. --CliffC 14:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I don't even know where to start for such a review. Is there an editor review policy here? There's no parent article of sorts. But I've made such templates before, see Template:SCO_Controversy. If no one takes the initiative what's the point? Mineralè 23:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I like the template, but I think it only deals with "healthcare payment" Mrdthree 19:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] problems with template

My main problem with this template is this -- if it's U.S. only, it probably shouldn't include non-U.S. topics like NHS, and it probably should not be placed on pages that are clearly more global in focus, such as Universal health care. I've worked on several of the health care pages, and there's always a dialogue about when it's appropriate or necessary for a page to have a global focus, and when a strictly U.S. focus is acceptable.

I also agree that including company names is problematic. Wikipedia is not a directory. Where does one draw the line on what types of companies to include in such a list? Finally, what's with the irrelevant text on the left side of the template page? A bad copy-and-paste remnant? --Sfmammamia 17:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the irrelevant text. sorry about that, I coped over the abramoff template Mineralè 23:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh and you are free to edit it and fix it. WP:Be Bold Mineralè 23:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template commented out for now

I have commented out (made null) the template, pending resolution of the issues raised above. --CliffC 22:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, please go through my coments above and below. I'm shocked that people commented very much on this but no one fixed it. This was essentially WP:Be Bold - Feel free to edit and the template, or rename it, just make sure the links are all together to list current policy options. Mineralè 23:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I made some edits in the template, but when I go to the articles where Minerale has re-inserted the template, the changes don't show. Is this a function of CliffC's action, or is there are time lag between when a template is edited and when the changes appear elsewhere? --Sfmammamia 00:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit the page and simply add a space or two, the new copy should show up. Mineralè 00:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bringing it back up

Greetings. I created the template because I thought the various articles where not tied up together correctly, I have addressed the questions put forth earlier about the template. The companies and the NHS have been removed and will move the template name to show the us centric thing.

I was trying to use wikipedia to help me during my employer's open enrollment to understand what the different plans were. I found it to be very inadecuate so far.. Mineralè 23:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)