Talk:Heaven's Gate (film)

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Cost of film

Alternate figures are given - both $30 million and $40 million are cited as the film's production cost.

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In the article, it says

...Cimino finally delivered his masterpiece—a 5 hours and 25 minutes version of Heaven's Gate. The studio balked and sent him back to re-edit it to a more manageable length. His recut version was still 3 hours and 40 minutes long.

Later, it says

Jerry Harvey, the channel's programmer, decided to play Michael Cimino's four-hour original version

Some clarification could be in order here. Is the second passage referring to the 3 hour 40 minute version? If so, perhaps classifying that as the "original" version is inaccurate, and could be changed to "...to play Michael Cimino's 3 hour 40 minute version"

In an interview here in Australia last year - http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1422317.htm - Kris Kristofferson claimed the film was killed by the studios who wanted to reign in the auteur directors and the newly elected Reagan government who wanted "[..]no more films made with a negative view of American history, like 'Heaven's Gate'". Claimed as evidence an alleged meeting between Alexander Hague & studio heads and reviews at the time which Kristofferson claimed not one of which mention the Johnson County Wars. A search of google though only comes back to the interview transcript, so has anyone else ever heard these claims put forward? LamontCranston 11:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The article makes this statement: 'Insofar as the film genre is concerned, no studio produced or released a single Western for a full decade, aside from Clint Eastwood's 1985 hit Pale Rider and Silverado (also 1985).' This is not true. I can think of one example, Young Guns, and I'm sure there are many more. That whole part is not backed up and makes a lot of generalizations and talks more about Dances with Wolves than it does about Heaven's Gate. I'm going to remove it. If someone can think of a better way to word it be my guest :) 209.144.55.6 20:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)1455 11-02-2006

Is it just me or is the plot summary the most condescending thing ever written? While hilarious, it contains sucn references as "x's character" and "y's character", and sneers at plot details, which is hardly encyclopedic. 130.76.32.145 20:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

This article is horrible. I tried to remove most of the POV, but I'm sure there's still some lingering between some badly-worded sentences or plot summary. - Zone46 03:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 POV 2 Plot Changes 3 WASP 4 kevin's gate? 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Heavens gate.jpg

[edit] POV

"the free-wheeling excesses that begat Heaven's Gate"? Give me a break. Someone fix this, please. --N Shar 06:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Changes

I elaborated much of the movie's plot, avoiding weasel words and personal opinion as much as possible. I still can add to it, but it should be much better now. Opinions? --A.T. Horsfield 00:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WASP

Is using the term "WASP" appropriate? Is the fact that the people are White Anglo-Saxon Protestants essential to the films plot?--Scotsworth 03:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] kevin's gate?

the article for dances with wolves says that during production it (DWW) was nicknamed kevin's gate because of the low confidence that the western movie genre could produce a good epic, based on heaven's gate being a disaster. this article says waterworld was "kevin's gate" was it dances w/wolves, or waterworld, or both? 76.217.120.247 16:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Heavens gate.jpg

Image:Heavens gate.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)