Talk:Heath Ledger/Archive 7

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I made some other additions to other parts, more minor typo. corrs., etc., but I still don't feel that I "own" this article. I'd be happy if others would work on the citations format; e.g., it's correct to have a comma after the author's or authors' names in normal order (first name, last name) in notes citations, as opposed to bibiog. refs. list (which is alphabetized). Unfortunately, the citation templates do not result in proper punctuation for notes and lead to inconsistencies. I originate citations in normal language w/o templates so as to control punctuation: name of author (first name, last name), title of article or book (in quotation marks or italics; if link given, end q. mark should post prior to symbol for link), title of work (newspaper, book, website, etc.) in italics, date of publication (wikified link), date accessed. I've been following "Retrieved on..." separated by period bec. so many of the other citations originated w/ templates have that format. In my own notes, I generally have a comma and then "accessed" and just the date (Wikified); no "on" is really nec. But I've deferred to the prevailing format already in this article ("Retrieved on...."). In the EL sec. I used the "Accessed" format bec. I originated the dates accessed. (I just don't prefer the word "Retrieved," which I find uglier than "Accessed.") --NYScholar (talk) 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

DEA Involvement in Heath's Death

Law enforcement officials confirm that the Drug Enforcement Administration has launched an investigation into how Ledger obtained the multiple prescription drugs that led to his accidental overdose. Reference here: Feds Involved in Investigating Heath's Death Tubesurfer (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have tried to incorporate the source in already-existing sentence in text. --NYScholar (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the article from ABC World News about the DEA investigation. Basically it has everything that's already been reported in the past month except for this bit: According to the medical examiner's office, Ledger took "prescribed therapeutic doses ... or less" of each medication he ingested. However, the medications were not meant to be taken together. The cumulative effect was that the actor's brain stem function that controls breathing was impaired and Ledger "fell asleep and never woke up." and some other information, as well.  Chantessy  02:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

In NY (ET) U.S., it is currently the subject of Larry King Live, a source (transcript when available) to be added to this article. --NYScholar (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Note the DEA has an ongoing study of oxycondone-related deaths. [1]  Chantessy  05:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Funeral

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There's a recent report here [2] on the service and funeral if an editor would like to work it in. Note that a cremation took place at Fremantle, not a burial at Karrakatta. •Florrie•leave a note• 07:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC) And another ref [3] from The West Australian. •Florrie•leave a note• 07:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I read another article (cited recently), which may also already been in this article (please see the source about Williams attending funeral), in which it stated that cremation might occur prior to burial; it is possible to have both. [There could still be a graveside ceremony at the family plot cemetery with a marker next to his grandparents' graves (some time later).] But I'll check that source you cite in a moment. Thanks. --NYScholar (talk) 07:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC) I've checked it and see what you are referring to. I'll leave it to others to update the refs. to funeral and to make the corrections. It could be stated that the plans as originally reported changed. The funeral memorial service occurred earlier and differently than otherwise reported and that part of article needs revision based on this more current source. Thanks again. (updated after consulted article cited.) --NYScholar (talk) 07:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

See Kim Ledger's comment to the press in the article cited above: "The funeral will be very, very private. There will only be 10 people there, immediate family and nobody else." That reference is to a different funeral, possibly at the family burial site referred to in the article Heath Ledger(?) "His family and Williams left by a side entrance ahead of his private funeral service at Fremantle Cemetery, where it is understood a cremation took place." (The "cremation" and the "burial" of the ashes can be at two different locations. The 600 people attended a memorial funeral service; the other "funeral" service that Kim Ledger refers to is a different one; we'll have to wait and see what the sources state later. --NYScholar (talk) 07:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC) [See conn. in article now. --NYScholar (talk) 07:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)]
Here is the EL for Freemantle Cemetery, with photographs. --NYScholar (talk) 07:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Fremantle Cemetery. —Moondyne 11:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, here is yet another ref [4] - why not, there are only seven so far for this para - "immediate family". The 500 guests were at Penrhos, not at Fremantle cemetery. They left Penrhos by a side door. The family members travelled to Fremantle in four cars.[5] The wake was/is being held at the Indiana Tea House in Cottesloe.[6] There are three separate locations involved - memorial service at Penrhos (Como), funeral service and cremation at Fremantle and wake at Cottesloe. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Renewed req. for semi-protection

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Added it [7]; hadn't realized that the other one had expired on Feb. 8, 2008; renewed vandalism. --NYScholar (talk) 10:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC) [added the link to req. --NYScholar (talk) 10:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)]

For everyone's ease of reference: The request was declined. Townlake (talk) 16:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Update: It has been semi-protected apparently since the above comments: Feb. 10, 2008 until Feb. 17, 2008.Log: Heath Ledger. --NYScholar (talk) 06:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Unverified statements, statements missing source citations

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Again, to those who did not notice earlier requests about not posting comments and requests about editing this article in my talk page: Please do not post requests about editing this article in my user talk page. Discussion belongs in the talk page of the article, so that other people can participate in the discussion too. If one wants help with providing additional source citations, please ask for it here. If the statements are not verifiable with source citations to reliable third-party published sources (not gossip and not fansites), the statements need to be deleted. (Please see the tagged template notices.) Thanks. I'm logging out of Wikipedia for the rest of the night and will not see responses posted here. -- NYScholar (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

See previous sec.: copy of "Request" and my resp. to it

Request

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Hi. There are some fact tags at the Heath Ledger article, are you able to fix that up? He was a lovely fellow, we should make the article as good as possible. Regards, cygnis insignis 00:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I was not logged on to Wikipedia and just saw this message. Sorry that I cannot be of further help with this request. I have already spent way too much time documenting that article and attempting to make it "as good as possible." I am only checking into Wikipedia sporadically to check my very limited watch list (from which I have already deleted Heath Ledger and Talk:Heath Ledger. (See "busy" template and previous messages). Some time ago, I added the "fact" (missing citations) tags to items that were inserted by others without any sources cited to verify them. I don't know where the others got the material or if it is accurate. I suggest that you look at the editing history to find who added the statements originally and contact them on their talk pages. If one cannot verify the information claimed in the statements with reliable third-party published sources (creating citations for them in the currently-prevailing format [citation templates]), one should delete it entirely until one can. I will be archiving my talk page page on Monday, as stated above. Please see my "N.B." and ask for help on the talk page of the article itself. Thanks. (I am logging out of Wikipedia to have dinner and to continue doing other pressing non-Wikipedia related projects, etc.) --NYScholar (talk) 02:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC) [(Moved here.) --NYScholar (talk) 02:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)]

[Logged in today to archive my current talk page (as per plan stated there); saw your edits; added one other in same vein--a missing citation to verify a statement of "fact" (though I don't know how reliable that IMDb site actually is; the material about dating etc. is similar in NNDB, which is not considered reliable enough to use as a source citation in Wikipedia. Also left a copy of your message to me in current talk page after archiving earlier material. Will archive it later.]
[That whole personal life section used to have a "missing citations" template on it, but someone else removed it. I had intended it to apply to the first sentence too. --NYScholar (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)]