Talk:Headless Cross

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Contents 1 POV: "Satanic" 2 "Ave Satani" not documented 3 "Headless" or "Headley's Cross"? 4 Fair use rationale for Image:BlackSabbathHeadlessCross.jpg

[edit] POV: "Satanic"

I have altered some of the wording to make it more neutral on the descriptions of this being a totally "Satanic" album. Most of the songs do mention the devil, but never in a positive way. As in the past, they are more of a cautionary tale.--MarshallStack 00:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the term "Satanic" applies to any Rock/Metal band, that is singing about Evil... Even not noticing the album's cover (CHRISTIAN CROSS), and the band's attire (Tony Iommi is usually seen wearing the Cross and got it engraved on his signature custom Gibson SG frets... Tony Martin in the Nightwing video is seen wearing a Jacked with crosses too)... Yeah, if Metal bands will sing ONLY about the flowers in the garden and the things like that, they will have little common to Metal... And, PRONOUNCING the word "Satan" does not make you Satanic...

And the most ridicilous thing is that here said, that "Satanic" is not only showcased in lyrics, but the music... Music can be Dark, Heavy, Black, Evil... But there are no "satanic notes, satanic intervals, satanic chords or satanic riffs"! as there are no christian/buddhist/whatever reeligionwoud you prefer riffs!

I am changing references from Satanic to Black/Evil themes in music and the Occult/Evil/Hellish/Black/Dark _references_ in lyrics (as Satanist is one who worships Satan, but there is no worshiping/whatever, only references th the DARK POWERS...)

BTW SABBATH is a JEWISH HOLIDAY! STOP CALLING every Rocker, who sings about Dark Powers a Satanist!

Echad 07:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I changed the artice... (if you want something to be done correctly, do it yourself)

[edit] "Ave Satani" not documented

There is also no documented proof that the synthesiser track, "The Gates Of Hell", which opens the album, was ever referred to as "Ave Satani". I have never seen this documented on any pressing of the album, nor in any interview.--MarshallStack 00:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Quite right: "Ave Satani" is the theme to "The Omen", composed by Jerry Goldsmith. For the live shows it was the intro tape, segueing to a recording of "The Gates Of Hell", at which point the band would walk onstage, and then the band would start playing "Headless Cross". I think this confusion (by some!) has arisen because ROIO correctly list "Ave Satani/ The Gates Of Hell". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.97.197 (talk) 05:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Headless" or "Headley's Cross"?

I know from interviews with Black Sabbath that the name of the town "Headless Cross" is a corruption of "Headley's Cross". However, I believe "Headless" is currently used; my two sources are Google Earth and a pre-WWII map of Britain I used to have that marked the town as "Headless Cross".--MarshallStack 21:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand that the reference is to an area of the town Redditch. JSL595 13:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:BlackSabbathHeadlessCross.jpg

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