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Dbachmann deleted some sourced info without any explanations. I searched for Hayasa's connection to the formation of Armenian people and added some text in a more neutral form than the Great Soviet Encyclopedia itself uses. Andranikpasha (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian historians

While you may disagree with the interpretation of Armenian historians, you have no rights to remove it from the articles. Instead, if there is criticism of their opinion, bring it here. `'Míkka>t 16:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hayasa-Azzi existed in the 12th century BC--a very long time ago. It disappeared from history centuries before the first Armenian state, the Orontids, appear in the 6th century BC. The people of Urartu which was the immediate predecessor of the Orontids spoke a different language than the Armenians. I don't dispute that Armenians are an ancient people because this is true! They are one of the most ancient surviving peoples in the world. But we know very little about Hayasa-Azzi itself; most records of it come from its enemies, the Hittites. Any connection one draws between it with Armenia 600 years later will be speculative to say the least. Artene50 (talk) 03:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

just because the armenian state appeared through the orontids, does not in any way mean that the armeians themselves had not lived in those areas well before 6th century BC. a state or kindom, and a whole culture for that matter, isnt just forged within the space of mere decades. show me proof of culture, art, literature ext.. of these so called invading 'armens' before the 6th centuty bc. it doesnt seem to exist.. rather this migration (if it occured at all, as the I.E homeland may very well be in armenia) occured much earlier, and its the amalgamation of Hayasa..urartians..hurrians ext.. which forged the armenian state you mention of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.64.127 (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I would kindly ask news users not to remove templates. I have readded the history of Armenia template. If this article should have any template it's this template. See the Minoans article and the History of Greece template, or Dacia and History of Romania and countless of others. -- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 12:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

You removed the appropriate portals for this page, and replaced it with an inappropriate template. I am not involved with Dacia or the Minoans. Sumerophile (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Please don't add "portal" banners into articles. It has long been decided that numerous banners in the articles are inadvisable, because they clutter main text: clearly a single article may be included into a dozen or more portals.. Instead, the "wikiProject" banners are placed on article talk pages. `'Míkka>t 16:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
No, its the numerous templates that clutter articles, rather than appropriate portals, which you removed. Sumerophile (talk) 16:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Please read wikipedia:Navbox to understand what templates in question are for. Once again, in wikipedia was decided portal links belong to talk pages. `'Míkka>t 16:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually it's project banners that go on talk pages. Sumerophile (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Portals are part of project banners. `'Míkka>t 16:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but banners don't go on main pages. Sumerophile (talk) 16:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The template cannot be used if one cannot find a conclusive link between the Armenians and Azzi-Hayasa. This seems as if a whole bunch of contributors are pushing Ararat Arev's views down here when the facts are lacking. Almost everything we know about Azzi-Hayasa comes from the Hittites. The only thing which is certain is that Azzi-Hayasa occupies the traditional region of 'Old Armenia'--Eastern Turkey and modern day Armenia. But in the Near East, peoples come and go very abruptly--the Phoenicians and the ten tribes of ancient Israel disappear from history after the Assyrians conquered and deported them. Mesopotamia and the area around Armenia was a political turbulent region--both today and in ancient times. Artene50 (talk) 06:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
"These whole bunch of contributors" are the reason ararat_arev is banned. We are the ones cleaning up his mess on a regular basis. As for conclusive links, and whatnot. Once again, that is all irrelevant. The history of austria template has the Hallstat culture, that pre-dates Celts let alone Germanics. It's irrelevant. These templates cover geogrpahic and cultural links, not just national or linguistic factors.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 14:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Eupator, I reverted your replacement of that template, which administrators as well as the fringe theories noticeboard said had to go.[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#The_origins_of_the_Hyksos_-_more_Ararat_arev] Artene50 is not me, and you are using a checkuser ruse to put fringe theories back in the article.
In fact, serious editors are having to contend with a cabal of users, as well as a mercurial banned user, pushing a nationalist POV in the Nairi, Urartu and Hayasa articles. Nicklausse (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I readded unexpl. deletion of foreign sources and silly attacks on historiography by well-known user dab. pls discuss at first. Andranikpasha (talk) 13:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
If this unexplained deletion of sourced info by an user and IP will be continued, it will be noticed. Andranikpasha (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted back to the version by Andranikpasha. The removed material seemed well-sourced. Given that (based on earlier discussions here) the material is contentious, the anonymous editor who repeatedly removed the material should really have discussed his/her removal of that material in the talk page first - and should do that before removing it again. Meowy 21:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
BTW, I left out re-inserting the "History of Armenia" template - I don't think it should be considered as being part of the well-sourced material that the anonymous editor had removed. Meowy 21:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
After some discussions:Artene50 will readd his text after he find at least one of the "many" historians who claims the text he added. Andranikpasha (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism by Dab

I reverted an undiscussed content vandalism by Dab. Andranikpasha (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)