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[edit] Veracity?
Is this correct mythology? I am concerned for how these statements may affect perception of Hawaii/Pele vs. Maori religion.
[edit] Possible merge with Hawaiian mythology?
Well, time to get started!
I've been looking over the information available, and I was wondering if it's possible to either merge this article to Hawaiian mythology or merge that article here. As it stands, the mythology page is simply a list of the major Hawaiian gods and goddesses. I suppose a key point is whether it is possible to separate the mythology from the religion (ala Christian mythology vs. Christianity and Ancient Greek religion vs. Greek mythology)--my personal opinion is that discussions of the major stories belong in the mythology article while a brief overview of the Hawaiian pantheon and description of the historical evolution of the religion would be better suited here. Thoughts? --jonny-mt 02:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- I am not an expert on this, but to me Hawaiian mythology includes the epic stories of warriors and kings, whereas religion would cover the gods and goddesses. So Pele, Lono, et al should be here, but Ka'ala and the night marchers etc. would be in mythology. How does that sound? Makana Chai (talk) 06:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's about what I was thinking. Since you seem to have a clearer grasp on where the line is, can I leave the merge to you (along with the copying of the workpage)? --jonny-mt 07:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see a need for a merge as they are two distinct topics. Hawaiian religion covers the institutional tenets, traditions and practices that are based on the mythology, which in turn concerns itself with the stories of the Hawaiian gods. While there is certainly overlap, as with any two related topics, the treatment of both is entirely different. Hawaiian mythology is in need of expansion. Viriditas (talk) 11:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- You're definitely right about that article needing expansion, and there's probably nothing worth merging anyway, but I wanted to define our scope before we get going. For example, it seems that discussions of the main gods and goddesses would be better conducted here in the discussion of religion than in the discussion of mythology, which would deal with the folk legends and stories as Makana indicated above. --jonny-mt 15:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Basically, myth and religion are treated in terms of anthropology; religion is considered the broad view of the beliefs, rituals, practices and institutions, while mythology is the narrow view of the stories used to support the religious beliefs. See religion and mythology. So, we wouldn't go into too much story detail here, leaving most of it to Hawaiian mythology. Viriditas (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- You're definitely right about that article needing expansion, and there's probably nothing worth merging anyway, but I wanted to define our scope before we get going. For example, it seems that discussions of the main gods and goddesses would be better conducted here in the discussion of religion than in the discussion of mythology, which would deal with the folk legends and stories as Makana indicated above. --jonny-mt 15:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see a need for a merge as they are two distinct topics. Hawaiian religion covers the institutional tenets, traditions and practices that are based on the mythology, which in turn concerns itself with the stories of the Hawaiian gods. While there is certainly overlap, as with any two related topics, the treatment of both is entirely different. Hawaiian mythology is in need of expansion. Viriditas (talk) 11:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's about what I was thinking. Since you seem to have a clearer grasp on where the line is, can I leave the merge to you (along with the copying of the workpage)? --jonny-mt 07:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
