Talk:Hatfield College
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[edit] Motto
The motto literally translates as "Either the first or among the first" The meaning of the motto is that the people of Hatfield are the Leaders or those who guide the Leaders. It is part of the culture formed in the college of the lower classes arriving and becoming part of the upper echelon. Be the best you can be is a commonly used phrase, and commonly used in Latin. The colloquialism is a mistranslation of the Latin and of the spirit of the phrase. The incorrectly stays.SPACKlick 16:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Please read Wikipedia's core content-guiding policies, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. In a nutshell, Wikipedia is here only to publish that which is commonly accepted; for which our standard is the provision of a reputable and reliable source for that information. That the colloquialism is used is a fact (Source: [1]). That it is incorrect is only an opinion, as far as I can tell - a colloquialism is by its nature only an approximation at the meaning of a phrase, and whether it is correct or not will always be a matter of opinion. This isn't to say your opinion is wrong; but Wikipedia has policies to avoid us having to decide on such things, by specifying that we only include verifiable and published facts. TSP 16:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
James Barber himself claimed the common translation as a mistake and a misunderstanding of the spirit of the phrase in one of his speeches to the college. I doubt there's a published version. However the colloquialism follows neither the spirit nor the letter of the phrase (which is no way pre-temporaly verbal but situational) and as such the colloquialism is incorrect.
[edit] Will Carling
I notice Will carling is on the list of notable alumni yet on his wikipedia article and other sites it says Will went to Hild Bede andI can find no mention of him having gone to Hatfield other than this page. Can someone confirm or deny either way? 129.234.4.10 11:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- The list of Durham Alumni has him at Bede but as of yet no reliable external sources. Looks bogus to me. 127.184.23.73 13:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
