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[edit] dates

in the main article, it states that they were founded in 1927, whereas the information box says 1926 . which one is correct? -ross616- 02:06, 19 Octobeofficial hmepage -ross616- 00:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] blackout gag

What's a "blackout gag" ? Was thinking that the phrase should really be a link to another page somewhere, but nothing else mentions it. --Ch'marr 21:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] loss

On January 5, 1971 the Harlem Globetrotters lost a game in Martin, Tennessee in overtime to the New Jersey Reds as team owner Red Klotz sank the winning basket for a 100-99 score that ended a 2,495-game winning streak.

Shouldn't this be the Washington Generals?

While possible, Klotz did beat them as a member of the Reds before ever founding the Generals. The Reds were actually separate and played other opponents in addition. - added June 18

[edit] Opponents

According to this SI article, http://www.cnn.com/cnnsi/2006/writers/franz_lidz/03/16/klotz/index.html, the Washington Generals were also known as the Boston Shamrocks, the Baltimore Rockets, the Atlantic City Seagulls, the Boston Whirlwinds, the New Jersey Reds, and the International All-Stars, before Klotz disbanded them to form the New York Nationals. Jeff Worthington 18:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Honorary Globetrotters

I have added a list of the 8 "Honorary Globetrotters". Though I am 100% sure these are them, I'm not sure if this is the order it happened in. I know for sure:Jackie Joyner-Kersee is 5th,Nelson Mandela is 6th, Pope John Paul II is the 7th, and Jesse Jackson is the 8th. It's the order of numbers 1-4 I'm not sure of. Also the dates/years they were honored would be nice. Lewiscode 15:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Currently in the article, just after naming Pope John Paul II, it states that James Knight was also named a honorary Globetrotter. In addition, it links to the James Knight article. Now, I'm not very familiar with the Globetrotters or their history, but I simply can't see a 16th century explorer being named an honorary member of a basketball team. I'm not going to remove it because I have a lack of knowledge on the Globetrotters, but please, could someone verify this fact? N313m 12:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I see that the addition of the James Knight fact was done by a user named, "James Knight" who also vandalized the article in other ways in the same edit. I'm going to remove the James Knight reference. N313m 12:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is number of defeats relevant?

It appears from their official site that their overall number of defeats now stands at 345. Should this be included in the article? I've included it before, but its been edited out.

from http://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/teamnews/article.asp?ArticleSource=307 (PHOENIX, Feb. 27, 2006) – Founded in 1926, the Globetrotters now own an all-time win/loss record of 22,000 victories and 344 losses, the most wins and highest winning percentage (.985-percent) in sports history.

from: http://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/teamnews/article.asp?ArticleSource=315 (INDIANAPOLIS, March 31, 2006) - Despite leading by 11 at the intermission, 44-33, the Harlem Globetrotters dropped a 87-83 contest to the NABC College All-Stars on Friday night before nearly 11,000 fans at Conseco Fieldhouse.

[edit] Capitalization of "black"

A couple of users keep changing "black" to "Black." Wikipedia's manual of style contains no convention for this. Section 8.43 of the Chicago Manual of Style states that designations based on color are NOT capitalized. Please stop changing it. 1995hoo 13:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Please standardize the Black people article and mention this in the Wikipedia talk:Manual of style.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 16:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
When I can find time!!!!! (Easier said than done right now) 1995hoo 21:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course. Thank you for tracking down an authoritative source for this. I've always wondered myself what the standard was an went by what our article seemed to be saying. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 00:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Cosby a Globetrotter

Hi, I'm just an user who has seen the "citation needed" tag to the claim that Bill Cosby is a former Globetrotter player. I own a copy of Ben Green's authoritative work on the Trotters, with a foreword by Bill Cosby. In that foreword, Cosby claims to have signed a lifetime contract to the Globetrotters in 1972 for one dollar a year, raised to $1.05 in 1986. Quite evidently, it was and is meant to be an honorary membership, and Bill Cosby should not be presented as a "former player" in the same paragraph as Curly Neal or Lynette Woodard.

[edit] World

Have to say that this: "to create one of the best-known sports entertainment franchises in the world" - is misleading. It depends of you define "World" as "America" - ie "The World Series" etc.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:HarlemGlobetrotters.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:SuperGlobetrotters.jpg

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[edit] Honorary members

There seem to be some fake honorary globetrotters, like henry kissinger and whoopi golberg, anyone want to check the authenticity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.220.137 (talk) 06:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Henry Kissinger I also found references to Jesse Jackson and Nelson Mandela being named honorary members. I'll research. Gr8white (talk) 04:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Also Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: "Pope John Paul II was made an "Honorary Harlem Globetrotter" on Nov. 29, 2000 at the Vatican. He is just the seventh person -- joining Bob Hope, Nelson Mandela, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Whoopie Goldberg." [1] Gr8white (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

"The team named Pope John Paul II and the Reverend Jesse L. Jackson as the seventh and eighth Honorary Globetrotters in the team's history." [2] Gr8white (talk) 04:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[3] I revised the list and am confident the first 8 (thru Jackson, 2001) are accurate. Will try to determine if the rest belong. Gr8white (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jamario Moon?

Maybe not vandalism, but I don't think "and once even suited up for the Harlem Globetrotters" (basketball-players.suite101.com/article.cfm/jamario_moons_sudden_emergence) qualifies him to be listed with the others. Gr8white (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inman Jackson 7' 4"

All my research indicates that the Globetrotters' original center was 6' 3". Although I am sure he must have appeared as though he was 7"4" to many people of the time, I am confident that this is an error in the article.

The article originally said 6'4" and was changed by the edit below, probably just vandalism.

14:46, 25 January 2008 216.23.246.138 (Talk) (19,405 bytes) (→Early history) (undo)

I'll change back to 6'4" but if you have a definitive reference for 6'3" let me know. Gr8white (talk) 07:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

6'3" appears to be correct, I changed & added a reference. Gr8white (talk) 07:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago, not New York?

I was reading a book about black players in basketball, and the Globetrotters are said to be from Chicago, not New York, as the Wikipedia article says. Before they were the Globetrotters, they were the Savoy Five, named after the Savoy Ballroom in Chicago, where they played. Abe Saperstein decided using the name "Harlem" suggested black players and "Globetrotters" suggest world travel, despite no plans at the time of traveling the world. Krillinish (talk) 23:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)