Talk:Hans von Bülow

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[edit] Premiere of Brahms Fourth Symphony

The article claims that von Bulow gave the premiere of Brahms' Fourth Symphony. However, almost every other source I can find (including Wikipedia's own article on the work) says that Brahms led the premiere himself, although he used Bulow's Meiningen orchestra. See, for example, this page. I'm removing this claim. Grover cleveland 08:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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If this helps...this is from George Marek's "Richard Strauss - The Life of a Non-Hero" (first edition, pg. 59):

"Meiningen repertoire was not of course limited to Beethoven and Wagner. Brahms was one of Bulow's current enthusiams. He held open house for Brahms: whenever Brahms wished it, Bulow was ready to play his muisc or to test a new composition by him. Several of Brahm's major works--the Third and Fourth symphonies, both of the Overtures, and the Second Piano Concerto--were tried out in Meiningen befor Brahms committed them to publication."

Maybe this is where the confusion comes from. He might have been to first to "play" the Fourth, but Brahms officially premiered the piece on October 25, 1885.--Roivas 06:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote -- interesting that it says that the Fourth was tried out in Meiningen but not explicitly that von Bulow was the conductor. It looks as if von Bulow made his Meiningen orchestra available for the premiere of the Fourth, but that Brahms himself was actually the conductor. That could explain the confusion. Grover cleveland 18:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

All things are true: Brahms conducted the Meiningen orchestra for the first public performance, but the orcestra had been prepared and rehearsed by von Bulow. Von Bulow conducted the second performance in Meiningen a week later but Brahms then led the orchestra on a tour of Germany and the Netherlands. Dorphd (talk) 06:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)