Talk:Hakan Şükür

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Article listed on WP:VFD Sep 13 to Sep 20 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:

  • In Turkish. Footballer. Stub, not sure even if it's on-topic. Over 2 weeks on Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Delete. -- Jmabel 07:23, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep fixed stub -- Jmabel 18:44, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete.Mikkalai 08:30, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Stub on a non-notable figure, untranslated. Geogre 12:36, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've started a new stub in English. As the second most capped player for Turkey, he's definitely notable. sjorford 13:27, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. New stub looks nice. bbx 17:56, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very notable. Not sure if the old stub in Turkish was on-topic, but now we have a nice stub in English. Andris 17:59, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Encyclopedic material, notable, good stub. Livajo 18:51, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable footballer. Average Earthman 08:37, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. A good start on a very well-known footballer. Dale Arnett 05:39, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

End discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 11:42, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] No source provided

This part has been removed, reason is "no source provided". :His relatives were Albanian immigrants from Kosovo who bared the familyname Shyqiri, that later developped in the Turkish form Şükür. This is what makes Hakan to be loved both in Turkey as well as in Albania. --Ugur Basak 08:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I took it off because the user who added it in has not substantiated his/her claim on his supposed albanian roots. The {{Fact}} tag has been here for over a month now, but still no source was provided. Im not sure about Şükür, but Hakan is a typical turkish first name. KillaShark 11:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I just add this to talk page, if someone can provide sources in the future. Btw, i've added that {{fact}} template for someone to give a source. --Ugur Basak 12:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Şükür is a word close to "thank". We use the phrase "Allah'a şükürler olsun" which means "thank God". -- WiiVolve 16:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The name Hakan is certainly Turk and as per his family name Şükür/ Shyqiri, I guess that is more realted to Islam than to Turkishness. Arabs and Berbers have the word "shukry" or "chukry" which means "cherished" and "shokran /shukran" for "thanks". Albanians were one of the prominent people under the Ottomite Empire and most Muslim Albanians bear Turkish names and even family names seem Turkish, although ethnic Albanian. I remember that once, in the Italian RAI TV, after a game clash with Igli Tare, the Albanian stricker, the Italian journalists seeking for tabloid news were pointing that a sort of "Balkanic War" had erupted between these two players. Here is where Hakan commented his Albano-kossovar ancestry, dennying any sort of animosity. I also remember that in this Wikipedia´s article there was a source in Turkish (or Albanian, I am not really sure ...) that pointed out Şükür´s Kossovar descent, but it was erased. I assume that Turkish fanatics do not like very much when Albos claim the best player in all Turkish Soccer History to be one of them. Personally, I do not see this as something wrong. Lefter Küçükandoniŷadi was of Greek descent but proudly defended the Turkish colours with honor, the same way Hakan did.Periptero (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FIFA Top Scorer Award 1998

Where is there a source on this? I can't find any credible information that he won such an award, let alone finding any information if there was even an award. The European Golden Boot is ruled out, because Mario Jardel won it in 1998. Also, it could not have been the FIFA Golden Shoe, as Turkey did not qualify for the World Cup in 1998. Can 03:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

I removed Torinolu Şaban nickname, because it means Şaban the Torinian. This nickname is only used by rival clubs fans to insult him. --Ugur Basak 10:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

FALSE

Turkish Newspaper:

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/1997/02/27/spor/gs.html

Search Google:

http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=Torinolu+%C5%9Eaban

This nickname is only used by all supporters fans to insult him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.97.151.203 (talk • contribs) .

In milliyet's link, he doesn't say i like that nickname. He means noone can demoralize me with that words. Also GS fans don't call him as Torinolu Şaban, as your link supports, rival fans call him. Cheers --Ugur Basak 21:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ugur Basak galatasaray supporters nicname no want.

Nicknamed the "Bull from Bosporus", Sinan Samil Sam

Hakan Sükür No nickname The Bull of the Bosphorus. Nickname Hakan Sükür = Torinolu Şaban

http://www.google.com.tr/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=torinolu+%C5%9Faban

http://sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=torinolu%20şaban

http://www.zamane-sozluk.com/tr/sozluk.asp?x=torinolu%20saban

Of course Sukur means something in turkish but his family changed surname after coming to Turkey.

[edit] Do we need the list?

Seriously, do we need a list of all his international goals? I can't see in any way how this fits into an encyclopedia. I think that part should be removed or seriously shortened (we don't need 4 lines if he shot 4 goals in one game). 213.157.11.56 16:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

We do need it because his performance at national games is big for Turkey. This person did a lot for Turkish football and I think there is a right for it to stay on Wiki.

[edit] wtf? hes goals change evrytime u change the language

i want to speak to the r..ard that mad this piece of s..t website!