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The Manual of Style says articles should be at the most common name. "Haïtian Revolution" gets 50 hits[1], many of which are other Wikipedia articles, while "Haitian Revolution" gets over 75,000[2]--seems like it should be moved back to the more common English language name. 24.18.215.132 02:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Manuals of Style aside: In French the country is: Haïti, but that makes the Haitian Revolution: La Révolution Haïtienne and not Révolution Haïtian. In English the country is: Haiti and the revolution is the Haitian Revolution - for what reason should there be an accent on the i, while the rest of the title follows the English spelling?
By the way: to the majority of Haitians it's not Haïti either - in Haiti's main language (Kreyòll) the country's name is spelled Ayiti. -bk 04:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 The entry should be fact not opinion 2 Could it be because of France that Haiti is the poorest in the Northern Hemisphere? 3 Requested move 3.1 Survey 3.2 Discussion 4 amount of "reparations" 5 Slave Ratio 6 Duncan McIntosh 7 Free people of color

[edit] The entry should be fact not opinion

The success of these attacks established a black Haitian tradition of violence and brutality to effect political ends.

This would be an example of opinion, one that doesn't seem to be supported by the rest of the article. Blakdogg 02:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it could be better worded and needs a reference. Haiti does not have a tradition of nonviolent leadership changes. Beginning in the period before the Haitian Revolution when independent militant gangs formed, political change has always been attempted (whether it has succeeded or not) through violence. There were few leaders that were able to unify these violent gangs to act under one head. Haiti does not have a tradition of a neutral military that avoids loyalty to one particular leader. This tendency continues to the present day when violent gangs are essentially running parts of Haiti despite UN intervention. These gangs attack each other as well as UN peace keepers and the current Haitian police. See Cité Soleil and United Nations Stabilization Mission in Haiti for some assessment of the present day situation. Recently, democratically elected President Aristide was thrown out by a military coup. (See 2004 Haitian coup d'état.) A hypothesis is that Haiti is so violent in the present day because of its history of violence and its lack of a history of nonviolent change of leadership. There are probably other reasons also. I don't know. Do you have any references that explain why Haiti has such a history of violence that continues to the present day? It is an interesting question since Haiti was the first country to become a free black republic in 1801, directly after the French Revolution but almost all of its leaders since then have been dictators. Mattisse 12:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could it be because of France that Haiti is the poorest in the Northern Hemisphere?

I'm kindak curious because they hade to pay millions for hundreds of years and now the people of Haiti are living in less than $1 a day.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me either. Haiti won its war against France, yet were expected to pay reparations? Just how did France expect to claim this money? If I were L'Ouverture, I would have invited the French back to Haiti for another thorough ass-kicking. - M.Neko

The United States also had to pay reparations to Britain for seized Loyalist estates after the American Revolution. Like most treaties, this had as much to do with the relative power of the two sides as the absolute justice. It was worth it to Haiti to agree to the treaty; it's a little late to complain now. Septentrionalis 03:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The reparations paid by Haiti to France were clearly unjust. Haiti was forced under pressure to agree to the reparations. But there are many reasons why Haiti is so poor now. The reparations are only one of them. The legacy of slavery and the greed and incompetence of most Haitian rulers since independence are others. In 1980 Haiti's per capita income was low, but twice as high as today. The neighboring Dominican Republic was almost as poor as Haiti then, but has developed well over the last 25 years. The reparations are only one of the many reasons, and perhaps not the most important one, why Haiti is in such a poor shape today. (By the way: Reparations were imposed in 1825, 22 years after the death of L'Ouverture in a French prison in 1803. And reparations were apparently paid over almost 100 years, not over "hundreds of years"). Former Haitian President Aristide asked for France to pay back those reparations. While this may sound "a little late" it is not a completely unfounded request, in my view. If the Haitian rulers have the ability to use that money to the benefit of the poor is another issue. Mschiffler 20:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

President Aristede had every right to ask for them; and if he had had the leverage to get them it would probably have been just as well. My post should not be read otherwise. (And shouldn't all this go in some article?) Septentrionalis 22:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Racist terminology used. Can't figure out how to edit it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.142.197.76 (talk) 14:25, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] amount of "reparations"

In french version, the reduced amount of "reparations" were 90 million francs. Probably, it seems that it is a total with the bond of 30 million francs, but it seems to be left out of the source with the English version.[3][4][5]Johncapistrano 13:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slave Ratio

Okay, we've got an inconsistancy here- under "Precursors" it says A third group, outnumbering the others by a ratio of 10-to-1, was made up of mostly African-born slaves, but later, under "1789" it says At the lowest level of society were the slaves although they outnumbered whites and coloreds eight to one. So is it 10:1 or 8:1, and can we at least be consistantly wrong? - Eric (talk) 22:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duncan McIntosh

From what I have read, there was a man named Duncan McIntosh who saved the lives of more than 2,000 French colonists in the Haitian Revolution. Yet, there is no mentioning of his heroics in this article. I will try to add him to the Haitian Revolution article and possibly to this one.--(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Free people of color

People of color were (and have been) a distinct group in Haiti. I think the article should use their traditional name translated from French, rather than mulatto.--Parkwells (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)