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[edit] Crown Prince Paras
I've expanded the stub on Paras of Nepal. It needed to be. I've also dropped enough hints and clues and links to other articles to point the finger of guilt where it truly belongs. Most Nepalis know the truth, now most non-Nepalis will be able to "connect the dots" and figure it out for themselves. Whether or not King Gy had any direct involvement, however, is highly speculative. But he clearly benefitted from his son's foul deeds. His regime is now more of a military dictatorship than a monarchy. Not that the Maoist insurgents are much better, it seems. Nepalis deserve better. Whenever fear prevents the truth being spoken about power, tyranny, corruption and injustice prevail. CROWN PRINCE PARAS IS NEPAL'S CALIGULA!--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 03:12, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Honours
It would be very hepful if someone could let me know whether the present King or his successors ever receievd decorations from the UK Sovereign. Thanks.
- Gyanendra was invested as a Knight Grand Cross of the British Order of St. Michael and St. George in 1986. AFAIK Gyanendra has not had any successors yet. :-) Mapple 14:34, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
People like him can never be decorated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.23.172.204 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Incarnation?
Please fix the paragraphs above this sentence: "Given these circumstances, people have lost most of the faith they had in the monarch as an incarnation of the god."
...it never mentioned anything about him being an incarnation of any god. So it'd be nice to elaborate on that. (I know, it's Vishnu, but from the article no one can know that.)
[edit] Pronunciation?
The BBC switched from pronouncing him [dʒa'nɛndrə] to ['gi:aˌnɛndrə] a few months ago, VOA says "g(y)ah-NEHN-dreh". So which is it? If you know, please add the IPA to the article.--84.188.147.149 11:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
BBC reporters frequently butcher names, e.g. "Kim Yong-il". I'm inclined to believe VOA, which goes by the individual's own pronunciation where available. Gazpacho 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Its probably ['gi:aˌnɛndrə] . The trouble is that the first character in his name is the only letter in nepali that isn't exactly the same as the equivalent hindi/sanskrit character. The BBC probably got confused because this character looks a lot like the [dʒ] character in sanskrit/hindi/nepalese.
- It's [gyanendrV] (X-SAMPA) (primary stress on second syllable, secondary on first, I think), in Nepali. [gy{nEndr\@] is probably the pronunciation which would be most found in English. 82.10.98.240 22:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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- [y] (front closed rounded vowel) doesn't exist in English...--Sonjaaa 16:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crown Prince?
Gyanendra (as heir-presumptive) during King Dipendra's 3-day reign, didn't have the title Crown Prince. The title CP is reserved for an heir-apparent (the King's son), as King Dipendra had no sons, there was no crown prince. GoodDay 22:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Date of Birth
Princess Prerana Rajya Laxmi Devi (Born February 29, 1978) - No she wasn't. That year WAS NOT a leap year. Anyone know the correct DoB? Arcturus 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
According to Almanach de Bruxelles (and a bunch of webpages about the royal family of Nepal) the princess was born February 29, 1978. Since that date obviously is incorrect, the correct date must be March 1, 1978.
It's February 20, 1978 (Fagun 9, 2034).[1] FrinkMan 10:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Two Gyanendras?
Why does it say at the bottom of the article that he was king in 2001 and in the 1950s? That obviously can't [be] right. Maybe there was another King Gyanendra in the 50s, I don't know. Can someone fix this please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Semper15 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 23 April 2006
He was crowned as a child in the 1950s when his grandfather fled to India.--Grammatical error 15:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Early life
The text says the infant Gyanendra was declared king for two months (1950–1951). However, if he was born in July 1947, he would have been 3 1/2 years old. Isn't that a little old to be considered an infant? In comman usage, isn't an infant typically less than one year old? 19 May 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.104.20.13 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 19 May 2006
[edit] Gyanendra's 2nd reign
Can we please wait until April 2008? Gyanendra could abdicate or die before then or the monarchy might be retained. We should be patient folks. GoodDay (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Totally agree the monarchy will most likely end after the elections but lets just wait for it officially take place before stating it as a fact that his reign will end in April 2008. - dwc lr (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Photo
Why is it that we only have drawings up on this page? There must be a public domain photo somewhere. --68.42.150.176 (talk) 14:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Heres a Photo! http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2222/images/20051104001007801.jpg
- Im not a 1337wixstor, but I did googel Gyanendra of Nepal and did click images. M6arate (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई नारायणहिटीबाट उठाइएको त्यो रात
पर्शुराम काफ्ले
मध्यरात भईसकेको थियो । हामी सिंहदरबारभित्रै थियौँ । हामी सिंहदरबारभित्रै थियौँ । प्रधानमन्त्री मोहनशमशेरका हजुरिया कर्नेल सन्तबहादुर अधिकारीले मलाई बोलाए-'मेजर ! ' त्यसपछि आदेश दिए- 'स्ट्यान्ड टु गारद !' म त्यतिबेला जगदल पल्टनको तीन पट्टी, दुई नम्बरमा भर्ती भएको थिएँ । भर्ती भएपछि म प्रधानमन्त्री मोहनशमशेरको आठपहरिया बसेको हुँ, उनी हुन्जेल सँगै बसेँ ।
त्यस रातको कुरा हुँदै थियो । यस्तो आदेश हतपत आउँदैनथ्यो, गम्भीर प्रकृतिको घटना विशेषमा मात्रै आउने गथ्र्यो । केही बेरपछि त हरिशमशेरका जेठा छोरा जर्नेल अरुणशमशेर पनि आइपुगे सिंहदरबारमा । हामी अरुणशमशेरलाई शम्भु जर्साब पनि भन्थ्यौँ । हामीलाई त खुल्दुली भो, अब के हुन आँट्यो भनेर ! त्यस रात सिंहदरबारमा जर्नेल अरुणशमशेर, कर्नेल सन्तबहादुर, मेजर बलबहादुर -थानकोट), कप्तान कुलबहादुर -महाराजगन्ज्ा), सुबेदार मेजर गंगाबहादुर, अर्का एक जम्दार र चारजना सिपाही थिए । अरू पनि थिए होला, मैले नाम बिर्सें ।
सरकारको आदेशअनुसार लाजिम्पाटका कुलबहादुरले तीनवटा गाडी तयार गरे । तर, हामीलाई कहाँ र किन जाँदै छौँ भनेर सुइँको पनि थिएन । हामीलाई फेरि अर्को आदेश आयो- तिमीहरूले जुन हतियार प्रयोग गरेका छौ, त्यो साथमै राख्नू । म त हतियार चलाउन सिपालु थिएँ । जस्तो हतियार पनि चलाउन आउँथ्यो किन भने मैले सैनिक स्कुलमा ६ पाठ सकेको थिएँ । मैले २८ राउन्डको टोमी गन बोकेँ । हामी स्ट्यान्ड बाई नै थियौँ । मध्यरातमा कहाँ जान लागिएको होला भन्ने खुल्दुली त सकिएकै थिएन । हामील्ो सोध्ने कुरा पनि आउँदैनथ्यो । जर्नेल अरुणशमशेरको अगुवाइमा हाम्रो टोली १२ बजे राति सिंहदरबारबाट हिँड्यो । भद्रकाली र महांकाललाई दाहिने पारेर हाम्रा तीन गाडी नारायणहिटी राजदरबारको गेटमा पुगे । मध्यरातमा तीनवटा गाडी एक्कासि झ्याप्प रोकिएपछि नारायणहिटी दरबारको सिपाहीले बन्दुक तेस्र्यायो । ऊ पनि छक्क पर्यो होला नि ! मध्यरातमा गेटमा गाडी रोकिएपछि ऊ पोजिसनमा बस्यो । अरुण जर्साप हत्तपत्त गाडीबाट झरेर हात उठाए । 'तैँले मलाई चिनिस् ?' अरुणले नारायणहिटी राजदरबारको गेटमा खटिएको र बन्दुक तेस्र्याएर बसेको सिपाहीलाई सोधे । 'चिनिनँ,' सिपाहीले जवाफ दियो । 'म हरिशमशेरको जेठो छोरो अरुणशमशेर हुँ, ल ढोका खोल् !' अरुणको आदेशपछि सैनिकले ढोका खोल्यो । अरुण जर्सापले अरू के-के भने, मलाई थाहा छैन । त्यसपछि पो थाहा भो, हामी नारायणहिटी राजदरबार जाँदै रहेछौँ । तर, त्यहाँ पनि मध्यरातमा किन जान लागेको हो भन्ने केही थाहा पाइएन । नारायणहिटी दरबारभित्रको पूर्वपट्टकिो मोहोडामा हामीले गाडी रोक्यौँ । त्यहाँको एउटा गेटबाट घरमा पसेर ज्ञानेन्द्र सुतेको खोपीमा पुग्यौँ । एउटा घरको माथिल्लो तल्लाजस्तो लाग्छ, हामी सरासर उक्लियौँ । अरुण जर्साप अघिअघि र हामी पछिपछि थियौँ । ढोकाभित्र हामी छिर्यौँ । बालक ज्ञानेन्द्र सरकार मस्त निदाइरहेका थिए । उनलाई बुबु धाई -दूध पिलाउन राखिएकी कामदार) ले सुताएकी थिइन् । दाहिनेपट्टकिो कोठामा ज्ञानेन्द्रका सुसारेहरू सुतेका थिए । हाम्रो टोली पुगेपछि सुसारेहरू बिउँझिए । अरुण जर्सापले मस्त निद्रामा रहेका ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई 'भान्जा !' भनेर बोलाए । निदाइरहेका ज्ञानेन्द्र बिउँझिए । र, उनलाई अरुण जर्सापले च्याप्प बोके । त्यसपछि जर्सापले ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई मेरो हातमा थमाए । मैले केहीबेर बोेकेपछि एकजना धाईलाई दिएँ । उनैले बोकिन् पछिसम्म ।
अरुणशमशेर ज्ञानेन्द्रको ओच्छ्यान उठाउन धाई-सुसारेलाई भन्दै थिए । तर, धाईहरू त धुरधुर रुन पो थाले, घरै थर्किने गरी । पछि जर्सापले धाईहरूलाई सम्झाए- तिमीहरू रुनुपर्दैन । हामी सिंहदरबार लिएर जान्छौँ । केही पनि हुँदैन, चिन्ता नगर । ज्ञानेन्द्रको ओच्छ्यान उठाइयो । जर्सापले तीनजना धाईलाई पनि आफ्ना सरसमान बोकेर हिँड्न भने । त्यसपछि तीनजना धाईसहित ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई लिएर नारायणहिटीभित्रबाट हामी हिँड्यौँ । इतिहासकारले त्यस दिन ज्ञानेन्द्र मावली हरिशमशेरको दरबारमा थिए भन्छन् । तर, त्यो सरासर झूटो हो । म आफैं साक्षी छु, ज्ञानेन्द्र नारायणहिटी राजदरबारमा थिए । उनलाई त्रिभुवन सरकारले किन लगेनन्, त्यो मलाई थाहा भएन । तर, उनी हरिशमशेरको दरबारमा थिएनन् । हामीले नै नारायणहिटीको खोपीबाट उनलाई निकालेका हौँ ।'
ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई बोकेर तल झरेपछि हामी गाडीमा बस्यौँ । तीनवटामध्ये अघिल्लो गाडीमा बलबहादुर मेजर र दुईजना आठपहरिया बसे । बीचको गाडीमा जर्साप -अरुणशमशेर), तीनजना धाईसँगै बालक ज्ञानेन्द्र र म बस्यौँ । पछिल्लो गाडीमा कुलबहादुर कप्तान, सुबेदार जंगबहादुर र अर्को एउटा आठपहरिया बसे । भद्रकाली र महांकाललाई देब्रे पारेर ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई लिएर हामी सिंहदरबार पुग्यौँ । त्यस्तै ४५ मिनेटको बीचमा होला हामी फर्कियौँ । ए, साँच्चि ! ज्ञानेन्द्र बिउँझै थिए, तर रोइकराई केही प्ानि गरेनन् । सिंहदरबारको गेटबाट छिरेपछि दुईवटा गाडी पछि राखियो । ज्ञानेन्द्रसहित जर्साप र म चढेको गाडी भित्रै पुग्यो । भित्र पुगेपछि तीनैजना धाई ओर्ले । ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई पनि ओरालियो । जर्साप पनि ओर्लेपछि सबैजना घरभित्र पसे, म बाहिर निस्केँ । त्यसपछि के भो, मलाई थाहा भएन । पछि पो थाहा भो, त्रिभुवनले गद्दी छाडेर भागेपछि ज्ञानेन्द्रलाई राजा बनाइएको रहेछ । —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.67.222.171 (talk) 07:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of the entire 'Possible causes leading to end of monarchy' section
I propose removing that entire section because:
- It expresses a distinct POV, and falls afoul of WP's neutral point-of-view (NPOV) policy or WP's practice of being impartial.
- Too much of it is speculation or personal opinion. Mentions of 'should have' and 'If he had...' type comments throughout the text.
- Even if this is from a news source, it would seem to be a poor source for an encyclopedia article based on verifiable facts and not opinion or speculation.
- I started to remove the parts that falls afoul of various WP policies but was left with a skeleton of a section with very little good meat on it. Best to remove it entirely.
- 'Possible causes' is speculation, which is poor form for an encyclopedia. That would be more suitable for a WikiNews story, but not the main Wikipedia.
- It references a single 'hometown' newspaper story but doesn't contain actual verifiable citations for various things alleged in the section, which is problematic.
- Quite a few statements in it is clearly biased towards specific political viewpoints - not very balanced.
I would like to give that section's editor(s) and others here an opportunity to express a different perspective or otherwise convince me that I'm misinterpreting the WP policies here, before I or another editor actually remove it. I feel the rest of the article sufficiently covers actual well-documented facts and situations leading to the end of his rule without the lopsided one-sided POV, opinion, or speculation, so a speculative section is not really needed. Cheers, 64.209.16.204 (talk) 02:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I know nothing about Nepalese politics, and this was interesting, but all of the above criticisms are IMO very valid --64.142.36.76 (talk) 08:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree also. You don't have to be an expert on Nepalese politics or Wikipedia principles to see that this entire section has a very distinct point of view to push. It's hard to see how this section could be edited in any way that would make it neutral. It has to go. 62.25.109.195 (talk) 10:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Exit and end of dynasty
I added this moment of the end:Gyanendra (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu) moved out of the Narayanhiti in Kathmanduon June 11, 2008, after release of press statement (5 p.m.) into the Nagarjuna palace. The new residence comprises 10 buildings including the ex-royals’ residence (Hemanta Bas), 3 guest houses (Barsha Bas, Sharad Bas and Grishma Bas), one office secretariat and one staff quarters. His family will reside at the 2-storey Hemanta Bas. The palace became a museum, while Gyanendra's diamond and ruby-encrusted crown and royal scepter with all the other crown jewels and royal assets,would become government property. Now ordinary citizens, Gyanendra Shah’s and wife, former queen Komal’s departure would be a “major symbolic moment in the fall of the Shah dynasty, which unified Nepal in the 1760s.”BBC NEWS, Former Nepal king to leave palacethaindian.com, Former King Gyanendra prepares to leave Narayanhiti Palace Journalist Surya Thapa, who wrote 3 books on the Himalayan royals, stated that Mr. Shah had $ 195 million “stashed inside Nepal and even more abroad, much of it in the name of his daughter and wife.” Gyanendra's son Paras also transferred into a private residence in Kathmandu's diplomatic quarter.timesonline.co.uk, Nepal's King Gyanendra moves out of palace, home to royal family for 100 years--Florentino floro (talk) 09:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Name
The BBC is reporting[2] that he will henceforth be known as "Gyanendra Shah". Should the title of the article be changed?
Soviet Canuckistan (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
