User talk:Guycalledryantest

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Hi, welcome to my talk page, feel free to leave a message and I'll try to get back to you. Please create a new section at the bottom of the page for each issue.

[edit] Re:AFD of Gortavoy Bridge

As a heads up, IP users are physically incapable of completing stage 2 of a deletion discussion, as the software prevents anonymous IP users from creating new pages. See what I've done at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gortavoy Bridge for an idea of what to do in this situation. -- saberwyn 12:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I wasn't sure if he had just added the tag for the fun of it or if there was a genuine reason. Thanks for the advice Guycalledryan 12:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twinkle

Hi Ryan, just a quick heads up: I have posted an answer on the Twinkle talk page. If that doesn't fix it, please feel free to respond there or at my talk page. Cheers -- Seed 2.0 20:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi again,

just in case you haven't seen my reply at the Twinkle talk page, the leading space is most likely to blame. HTH. :) Cheers -- Seed 2.0 22:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quantum Mechenics (sic)

I redirected this to Quantum Mechanics, which means that I took down your Speedy delete tag. I think that this is probably the right way to handle it though. The contributor has made some other odd edits on physics articles. —Gaff ^ταλκ 07:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Bad

Hey homee g, my bad for 'vandalising' your page but what I wrote was true. By the way how old are you? because of your over 18, stop living on wikipedia, go out and play some sports. Geez, think about the fact that you are a grown up, not a child, its alright if your a kid but when you get older its time to do something with your life. So get out of the house and off your computer and don't be such a baby... PS. How did you find out about the Mianus thing?

Wikipedia is a place for facts to be presented, not a place for you to post your opinions which have got nothing to do with the article. Nobody owns any article, they are created over time through community consensus, and vandalism such as yours only serves to detract from the merits of this project. I've had a look at your edits, and most of them appear to be vandalism, if this continues then it is likely this account will be blocked.

In case you wanted to know, I spend very little of my time on Wikipedia, it's something I log onto when I've got a bit of free time on my hands, the time that it took me was only a fraction of the time it took you to post on the Mianus article. You should also be aware that personal attacks are prohibited at wikipedia, and that it can result in both an account and an IP ban if reported.

And as for how I found the article, I was using a change tracker and your edit came up as suspicious. I would have reverted it myself but the anonymous user beat me to it. The increasing use of these tools means that it is more and more easy to detect and revert any nonsense added to articles, so perhaps now is the time to start making sensible contributions to the project. Guycalledryan 10:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question,

1. How old are you?

2. That crap about spending your free time on wikipedia is bull, everytime i edit something, your back on the page in less than half a day, how much fukin free time do you get, What is your job to stay on the computer all day. Think about what I said before Ryan, it could help you!

Oh come on, I reverted one of your edits. My age is irrelevant, as is the amount of free time on my hands. What I can safely say is that I don't spend all my time making senseless edits on an encyclopedia and then waging some sort of cyber war on the person who reverted them Guycalledryan 09:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Micronation Wikiproject

I've published a proposal to gauge the level of interest in setting up a micronation Wikiproject, which I thought might be of interest to you based on your past contributions. Comments and suggestions are welcome: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Micronations --Gene_poole 01:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small Mercies

I've changed my mind (again) I googled Small Mercies and Their website comes up first and then the reason why I added it was because I thought someone other than you had removed your speedy. --Lwarf ^{Talk to Me!} 11:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Edits upon My Talkpage

I have nothing to say to you and do not wish to open dialog with you. Please stop reverting your edits upon my talk page. -- Warfreak 07:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Those insults don't even appear on my talkpage, now stop trying to open dialog as I have nothing to say to you. All you have done is to annoy me for the last week or so.

This is your final warning on the annoyance you seem to show on my talk page. I have been civil enough to say I do not want dialog with you and stand by it. If you do continue, I'll consider other line of action. And you little insults against, I don't see those insults on this page, do you?

You attend the same school as me, so don't try to bs your way through that, unless you can prove otherwise Ryan Cocker. Unless you can prove otherwise, as well as your edit to Baulkham Hills High School, which coincidently, appears to be the same school that you or I belong to as well as the account of Seagull Landbird what you yourself, on the school forum admitted was your. Unless you can prove this otherwise, you appear to be stalking somewhat my contributions. My edits to Mel Semlar appears to be part of your edit, the edits on SWAT, the film seems to be there as well as effort to get Twinkle. Coincidence? I doubt it. Unless you can prove all this otherwise, do not attempt to open communication with me.

Hint, Baulkham Hills High School is a school in NSW and is the only school that you've edited. Interesting, Very Interesting. I will not retract my statement until you prove that you are not. As this account was not active till after an incident occurred upon my userpage and you magically seemed to have found it, I do find it hard to believe. Since you already know my email, you should know how to prove yourself and clear your name. However, I will assume good faith as long as you do not open dialog with me from this point forward. -- Warfreak 09:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Awfully quick that you can change your tone pretty quick. You say that your a student in NSW, what school do you attend, and a little proof shouldn't be that hard. Of course, maybe you don't want to because you know the truth and are too afraid to tell it. You know me as an FAQ author on the GameFAQs site, which has my email address on it, you wanted good faith, I gave you good faith and now you don't want it. Suit yourself. You can post as much as you want on my talk page, from now on, I refuse to answer you, you want this, then get a backflip. Talking to you like talking to a brick wall, no offence meant. -- Warfreak 09:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Teen World Pageant

I've moved your page to Miss Teen World Pageant, as that appears to be the title you were aiming for. Feel free to add information to the article, however please keep your additions encyclopedic, remembering that wikipedia is not a place to advertise an event, and remember to exercise caution as per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you have any issue, please feel free to raise them on the article's discussion page or my talk page. Thanks Guycalledryan 03:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

How do I create a new topic? I was not trying to advertise I was adding new information added by User:MissTeenWorld

Yeah no worries, I could tell you weren't trying to advertise, just a default message really. As for creating a new topic, I'm thinking you may mean new page, in which case you did, except the title was a little off. The whole editing process is a bit too much for me alone to explain, but it's pretty easy once you get the hang of it, so I encourage you to read Help:Starting a new page, Wikipedia:How to edit a page and Wikipedia:Images. There are a few other things, but I'm sure you'll be directed to them if they arise.

Also your logo is currently being considered for deletion. You may want to upload it under the Fair Use: Logos license, which will both protect your work and allow it to be used on wikipedia and affiliates.

And I've added a bit of information to the original page, which I got from the site. Please feel free to review this information and correct it accordingly.

If you have any questions feel free to drop a message on my talk page, writing at the bottom of the file so that work above it won't be deleted (don't worry, I'll still see it). Keep up the good work Guycalledryan 04:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regal Entertainment Group

I intended to remove the section that reads like an advertisement. I can tell you that it is very likely that it came directly from some marketing person at Regal. However, I don't want to cause trouble and will leave it alone if you think I should. added by User:69.131.179.214

My bad, I only looked at the text briefly and jumped to the assumption that the changes were either accidental blanking or vandalism. You were completely in the right, the section is very much written as an advertisement and should be removed. Please accept my apologies and revert my reversion. Keep up the good work. Guycalledryan 00:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Page Vandlsim

Not a problem (By the way he's now on my blacklist so any vandal edits and he'll be straight on wp:aiv) --Lwarf ^{Talk to Me!} 02:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] True Live

Thanks for dropping the references on the article. It is quite a good article, the earlier two independent references are added to articles the better it is in terms of Afd etc.Ga rr ie 05:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Getting More Senior Editors

I'm just wondering if there's a portal where I can ask a more senior editor to examine an article besides a third opinion, mediation etc (I'm not in an edit dispute, I want to see what a more experienced user thinks about the tone of a certain article and what their advice is about it. Thanks Guycalledryan 12:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for feedback or Wikipedia:Peer review (depending on how advanced the article is). --ais523 12:24, 8 June 2007 (U T C)

Sorry to keep bothering you, the article in question is not one I've made or added significant amounts of information to. I removed a chunk of POV material from an article, but there's still sections of it that could fail WP:NPOV, except I'm not sure and was wondering where I could get a senior editor to look over the article and either edit any wrongful sections or give advice on what (if anything) needs to be changed. Is the Wikipedia:Requests for feedback still the right place to ask this? Thanks Guycalledryan 12:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

It'll tell you what needs to be changed, but probably not change it for you. You could use a cleanup tag to attract the attention of an editor who could help with any specific problems you might come up with, but cleanup is often very backlogged so it may take a long time (sometimes months). --ais523 12:37, 8 June 2007 (U T C)

[edit] Talk page

The three comments that Cgingold copied HAD already been copied by me, right above. All I did was combining the two sections into one. So yes, there was a misunderstanding, indeed. --Rabbeinu 13:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Then please accept my apologies for my revert and warning. Next time consider upholding wikipedia policy in your edit summaries [1] Guycalledryan 11:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dot Points in Wikipedia

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Hi, I know how to do basic dot points, using the *, but is there a way to create structured dot points, like this: ? Thanks Guycalledryan 07:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Will this do (look in the edit window to see the wikicode)?

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--Commander Keane 08:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] DYK

On 21 June 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kisima Music Awards, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani ^talk 11:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

what's dyk ?? lol Jkdemon 10:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brisbane Punk Rock

Thankyou for your comments AGUYCALLEDRYAN. I do understand that the political element in your opinion, seems to have a bias. However, with Brisbane Punk Rock, it is believed by most who followed the movement in Brisbane relatively closely, that not to mention the political climate would be a travesty and be quite neglectful to what was a highly influential factor of the scene. As with the punk movement in general, whatever bands that propergated in their own region often reflected the mood and styles of the bands. To use an analogy, for instance English naturalist, Charles Darwin's evolutionary discovery of the indiginous animals of the Galapagos Islands. "Darwin noticed that each island supported its own form of finch which were closely related but differed in important ways." http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/darwin_charles.shtml

Dick Hebdige Professor of Film Studies and Art Studio has written many articles and books on the subject of subculture and the insular effects on subculture. His works would reiterate my stance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Hebdige

There is more than substantial evidence about Brisbane Punk Rock's local association with the Queensland Police available on the internet and in various books about the subject. A specific book is called "Pig City" is a good guide. The title was named after a popular song released in 1984 about Brisbane's corruption and political use of the law.

"Pig City: from the Saints to Savage Garden by Andrew Stafford (Paper C Format) ISBN 0702233609 Category History - Australian Pages 336 Release Date October 4th, 2004

From cult heroes the Saints and the Go-Betweens to national icons Powderfinger and international stars Savage Garden, Brisbane has produced more than its share of great bands. But behind the music lay a ghost city of malice and corruption.

Pressed under the thumb of the Bjelke-Petersen government and its toughest enforcers - the police - Brisbane's musicians, radio announcers and political activists braved ignorance, harassment and often violence to be heard.

Pig City maps the shifts in musical, political and cultural consciousness that have shaped the city's history and identity. This is Brisbane's story - the story of how a city finally grew up." http://www.uqp.uq.edu.au/book_details.php?id=0702233609

Although I will accept your future adjudication, I would like to impress your judgement with the thought that if one was to critique the Mona Lisa painting, how would it be if her smile was ignored?

(Copied from the Brisbane Punk Rock talk page 13th. of June 2007)

Dr.warhol 11:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

220.238.25.253 01:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied on users talk page Guycalledryan 08:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of multiple sources

There's an article which needs a large chunk of information added to it, problem being that the sources provided are all in Russian. I'm not sure if I should post at Wikipedia:Translation, because it's not a question of an article on the Russian wiki simply being converted into english but more a question of the several sources being read and information extracted. I've gone to the embassy on the Russian wiki, but there don't seem to be any previous requests for translation. What do I do?

Eww... there's not really much that can be done. Since the sources aren't part of Wikipedia, there's no way to get them translated into English other than contacting the website owner and whining at them, which isn't likely to get you anywhere. You can try contacting someone in the translation group individually, or perhaps a member of Wikiproject Russia to assist you, but you're right, a translation request isn't the way to go. If you use Firefox, you can try downloading a translator extension - I used to have one that worked pretty well, but as with any automatic translator, it's not perfect and will give you pidgin English at best. Basically, if you really want to go through with this (and I'm not saying you shouldn't), it'll be a bit of a project coordinating all the help you'll need to double-check it all. Keep an eye out for English sources as well. Good luck! Hersfold ^(talk/work) 04:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Brisbane Punk Rock rewrite

Dear aguycalledryan,

Thank you for responding to my concerns. I have tried to address your extensive feedback and have tried to take into account the NPOV to suit Wikipedia’s policy. I have responded to your main issues regarding the article individually below and I have also rewritten the article. Please read the following response and rewritten article. My main issue with the article

1. is the over emphasis that it gives to the political climate at the time, while it is understood that this is a large influence on the scene, it is not what should be comprising the entire article (this would only be the case if the article was, say, Political Backgrounds to Brisbane Punk Rock).

a. this could be corrected by dividing the article into a number of sections, one with the Background/Influences where you can talk about the political climate,

b. and then other sections such as History, Music Style, Notable Bands,

I thought about doing something like what you say but I prefer to write in the sense of a time line.

2. Subculture etc where you only discuss the government in a neutral tone if it directly relates to the section (eg if police closed a concert it would be allowable to mention it, but it would be ill advised to proceed to discuss how this act demonstrated the corrupt nature of the government). If you read over WP:NPOV it discusses giving undue weight to a particular component of an article, and Brisbane Punk Rock incorporates many other elements such as Music Style which should be addressed rather than raving on about how the government imposed upon civil liberties.

I agree with what you are saying here and I have deleted most of the political background elements and rewrote most of the article giving, as you originally requested, more emphasis on the major bands.

3. My second issue, and possibly a larger one, is the blurring between fact and opinion. Many aspects of the article are simply not fact, quotes such as "people were victimized simply for their looks" are presented as gospel when they simply a matter of opinion. Similarly there is a large problem with the sourcing of the article. For the sakes of clarity, I'm going to list every point.

a. In the first paragraph, the section on people being victimized. Not only is this POV but all bar one of the references go to another wikipedia article which does not support their claims. The simple fact is a governments decision regarding land rights or the control permits regarding protests does not indicate a desire to victimize a certain group of people. The remaining link goes to a personal website which is pretty well unsourced in its information (all coming from a single person who I couldn't find information on) and is hardly a reliable source. Reliable sources which could be used to support this include official reports, established media journals, something which demonstrates that the government was actually victimising people.

As regard to the victimization and other elopements of the POV, I hope I have addressed these issues hopefully to your satisfaction but am still keeping the integrity of the culture vs. counter culture dynamic.

b. The quip about the unjust voting system, unless it can be shown that the Queensland government actually exploited a gerrymander (while a band may be well meaning in its lyrics they can be hardly taken as gospel, a commission, independent media report etc is more valid). The use of "unjust" without sourcing is simply POV

In light of the POV, I have eliminated this part of the article.

c. The quips about undercover police and raids without provocation, while "On the Street" may be a media source it cannot explain the activities of the police unless it in turn has been sourced from the police or a related government/independant commission. As I don't have the article I'm relying on you to decide whether or not it does.

I do believe that this is an honest account however, I have still eliminated this with respect to your POV.

d. The girl being arrested and interrogated for hours is hearsay, and unless confirmed by official sources (arrest report etc, once again the "On the Street" would need to have referenced these to be reliable) it is simply opinion, not fact

I have eliminated these elements from the article.

e. "backlashed to an oppessed society", even though it is sourced is blatant POV

Again, I have eliminated this.

f. "plagued by many disasters including regular raids by the Police", once again needs to be sourced. The connection between disaster and raids is clearly POV, the raids (if any) may have been justified by wholly legitimate reasons (searching for drugs, searching for weapons etc) "questioned the heavy handedness of the Police at a raid", needs to be sourced, and the source needs to be reliable (all I can find on the program is that it was on radio, raising questions of possible bias in the presenter).

In my article below, I have modified the content which leads the reader to form their own opinion on "plagued by many disasters" bit. I have eliminated the “heavy handedness of the police” comment.

g. The quip about the protester getting bashed against a police van and subsequently being charged is all based from memory, which is anything but reliable, and also remains unsourced at this point.

Agreed, and this had been eliminated.

4. I was going to suggest you post at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback, however given the recent AfD and the opinions that the article needs a rewrite I think the removal of POV statements is now more urgent and I may chop a few myself.

I have rewritten the article in light of this and have pasted it below for your perusal and opinion.

5. As I've said before, the article is clearly one of the most researched and most detailed articles to be created on wikipedia, but it may be wise to stop trying to criticise the government and add more information on other aspects of the movement, such as musical style and clothing, outside of the history section. Guycalledryan 09:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your detailed response, which would have no doubt taken some effort and time.

BRISBANE PUNK ROCK

Brisbane’s punk rock scene from 1975 – 1984 has been generally regarded and documented as producing “some of the most anarchistic bands of the Australian punk rock era” McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.237, Allen and Unwin 1999. The development of Brisbane’s punk rock movement differed to all other cities, because of its isolation from the rest of Australia and because the scene received special attention from the local Police, which also generated uniquely, antagonistic and “snot” driven punk bands. Whilst these Brisbane bands had the environmental factors at play, it also could be seen from hindsight that the movement can be roughly dissected into three phases. First, there was the pioneering chapter, which lasted from 1975 to 1977. These bands were either innovators or part of the first wave of punk bands. Foremost of all Brisbane bands, The Saints were considered as “Aussie punk pioneers”. http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/70/70music02.htm Then the second phase could be placed somewhere between1978 to 1980 in which Ian MacFarlane coined the groups of this period “the second generation.” Ian McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.706, Allen and Unwin 1999 The last period faceted “the third generation,” Ian McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.661, Allen and Unwin 1999, of punk groups spanning from around 1981 – 1984 and diverged into two categories; the hardcore punk and the post punk-punk or dark punk.

History The Pioneers The Saints came to the attention of the English musical press with the “Stranded” single. This song arrived with much fanfare, as it fitted neatly into the conventional punk sound and attitude in London. Jon Savage, U.K. journalist and punk historian, noted that ‘The Saints’ “had been developing in near isolation for three years, but it took just one review in Sounds (magazine) to make their career.”Jon Savage, England’s Dreaming, page 246, Faber and Faber, 1991. The Saints arrived in England in 1977 but soon found that their hair and image didn’t fit the idealistic, English punk, stylistic dress codes. Basically the English were hoping for spiky hair and brothel creepers instead they got an image of street bums with attitude. Ed Kuepper, guitarist for The Saints reflected on their arrival in the U.K., “By the time we got here the initial spirit already died out, it was very contrived. There were too many people following slavishly after. We had problems because we didn’t look New Wave.” Jon Savage, England’s Dreaming, page 384, Faber and Faber, 1991. However, that aside, The Saints reached the U.K. charts with their song “This Perfect Day”, when the Sex Pistols were at their most infamous with their chart toping “God Save The Queen” single. Eventually in 1978 The Saints disbanded but not before releasing two albums, “(I’m) Stranded” and “Eternally Yours” and the classic “Know Your Product” single. As stated by the Australian Encyclopedia of Rock and Pop, “The band created one of the greatest R & B – fuelled rock songs of all time.” Ian McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.548, Allen and Unwin 1999 The "Prehistoric Sounds" LP was released in 1979 posthumously. The Saints reformed in 1980; however, their punk edge was lost without “Ed Kuepper’s relentless power chords” Ian McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.548, Allen and Unwin 1999 Around 1976 the Leftovers formed, to eventually gain local cult fame due to the stories of the band’s existentialist approach to life. “Everybody was starting to get really bad drug habits and walking over each other’s backs to finance the habits” said The Leftovers’ guitarist, Ed Wreckage, of their demise, back in 2000. http://www.dropkick.com.au/band.php?band_id=9-6k- The Leftovers were plagued by many disasters including regular raids by the Police. “The Leftovers seem to attract trouble, and with their infamy increasing, unfortunately their music is not.” Was one report of the band in 1977, reproduced in their compilation CD. The Fucken Leftovers hate you cd booklet, page 20, Dropkick, 2002 In 1979, they released their only single, “Cigarettes and Alcohol” and generally are considered part of Brisbane’s seminal punk history. Most of the members, including Warren Lamond, their singer, have now passed away. Another punk band from the early period was the Survivors. They were included on the Lethal Weapons compilation of Australian punk bands that came out in early 1978. Linear notes on their posthumously released album,”Worse than Perfect”, J.D. wrote of the band, “they made a couple of trips to Sydney where their own naivety ensured profits for promoters, become something of minor celebrities in their home town.” http://www.divinerites.com/6_surviv.htm Their drummer, Bruce Anthon, a proficient musician, went on to play various instruments for more sophisticated musical groups that did blues or jazz as well. During this era Brisbane punk rock occasioned mostly hall gigs such as the Hamilton Hall, and Toowong R.S.L hall as venues.

The Second Phase The Brisbane punk movement took off following 1978. A lot more bands formed and were given air time on Community radio station 4ZZZ. According to Toxico H, “4ZZZ FM DJs Michael Finucane, Carl (Bill) Rhiner and Andy Nehl were influential in playing the new music.” http://members.optusnet.com.au/~toxicoh/brisband.htm One of the bands that benefited from 4ZZZ airplay was Razar with their song “Task Force", which was a song about the Queensland Police Task Force special branch. As stated on page 2 of the ‘Behind the Banana Curtain’ CD, a compilation of Brisbane bands made by 4ZZZ, “Razar’s ‘Task Force’ released in 1978 on the Able Label referred to Brisbane’s notorious undercover police.” Razar, as most high-profile Brisbane punk acts during the late 1970s and early 1980s, like a beacon, attracted the interest of the local constabulary. Dave Darling, a concert promoter, recalled such events, “We encountered problems with police just like everybody else did that tried to run a venue...9 out of 10 of them I don’t think ever made the final song...and disguise them from Task Force knowing they were on, but eventually in the course of the night one of them would find out and next thing you know you had all of them there...” Dave Darling, Young, Fast & Non-Boring, page 53, Queensland Performance Arts Centre Museum, 2004

The Fun Things, originally known as The Aliens, were an outfit that exemplified the Detroit inspired “Sydney Sound” and did homage to the “spirit of their heroes”, Behind the Banana Curtain’, page 3, 4ZZZ, 2000, Radio Birdman with the song called “When the Birdmen Fly” released on The Fun Things self titled EP. However, songs like “Savage” easily outshone their homage track on the EP. Although The Fun Things were not as socially rebellious towards Brisbane society in relation to other Brisbane leading punk bands, they nevertheless enjoyed a reputation for tight energetic music. According to Brad Shepherd, singer/guitarist for the group, “The Fun Things were if not gifted plagiarists, at the very least a bunch of excitable Brisbane teenagers with extremely good taste in music.” Behind the Banana Curtain’, page 2, 4ZZZ, 2000.The band members, Brad Shepherd, John Hartley and Murray Shepherd went on to join other bands, most notably in the early to mid 1980s with the Hoodoo Gurus and The Screaming Tribesmen. Minor players from this second phase included The Humans, The Toy Watches, Swell Guys, The Hard Ons (not to be confused with the later Sydney surf thrash band), The Fujiama Angels, The Young Identities and The Alphabet Children. Most of these bands, with the exception of The Humans, who supported The Stranglers at the Queens Hotel, played rather spasmodically, generally around hall gigs. Also in 1979 the song was “Sunset Strip” by The Numbers, later renamed The Riptides recorded an outstanding punk-like tune that had regular 4zzz airplay but it is regarded as more pop than punk rock. Venues that hosted punk gigs during this second phase include The Exchange Hotel, The Queens Hotel, The Curry Shop, The Baroona Hall, The Ahepa Hall, The Silver Dollar Disco, The Brisbane Hotel, Colossus Hall, Cloudland, The Majestic Hotel, Sally’s Coffee Lounge, Caxton St. Hall, Griffith and Queensland Universities and even Pips Nightclub. Other places worth a mention were Rotten Import Records, a shop dedicated to punk music in 1978 and The Elizabeth Street Bar (nicknamed White Chairs) which became an important hang out for those of a Punk/ New Wave/Alternative persuasion during the stretch of 1980 to 1987.

The Third Generation This phase centered on the early to mid 1980s. The dark mood of the bands reflected the changing dynamics of punk. According to Jason C. Reeher, “As the restrictive measures of punk, and all the clichéd fashion statements it entailed, came to a close, post punk groups took up the gauntlet. These exciting new bands used the DIY spirit to launch a more introspective, even gloomy, but still vibrant sound.” Many of the Brisbane bands got darker due to the post-punk fashion; however, many still retained its Brisbane seditious punk tradition. The two most prominent post punk-punk groups during this period were the Vampire Lovers, who played Goth and glam punk with garage tendencies, and the Mystery of Sixes, who leant more towards the hardcore punk scene. Both of these bands started at Zits, a.k.a. Kisses, a punk venue in the Fortitude Valley that allegedly had an assortment of criminal connections and various staff members into the black arts. “Part of the reason live music in The Valley was so prosperous during this time was the abundance of illegal brothels and casinos located in the area which were frequented on a regular basis” Flew, T. (2003). “Music, Cities and Cultural Policy: A Brisbane Experience,” paper presented to Sonic Synergies, Creative Cultures, University of South Australia, 17-20 July, pp. 13 The Mystery of Sixes self titled song “Mystery of Sixes” received substantial airplay on 4ZZZ. Jello Biafra, (Dead Kennedys) reviewed their EP’s songs as such; “this Brisbane band is a little more on the post-punk side. They definitely live in their own world, especially when the Arabic – style vocals on the title song are taken into account. The lyrics have satanic overtones.” Jello Biafra, Maximum Rock’n’Roll, issue No.10, 1983. Reminiscent of Black Flag, they pumped out their tough music with dark but forceful insight to their hardcore audience. Bez Jobson, their vocalist, diversified their sound by adding percussion to some of their songs. The Mystery of Sixes supported the Dead Kennedys in Brisbane in 1983; however they broke up in 1984. Meanwhile, the “notorious”, Ian McFarlane, The Encyclopedia of Australian ROCK AND POP, pg.661, Allen and Unwin 1999, Vampire Lovers were the type of group, according to the Bucket full Of Brains magazine, to “embody an enjoyably snotty early eighties zombie-punk-schlock vibe.” Hugh Gulland, Bucket full Of Brains #67, winter 2004. The band had a tumultuous kind of spirit that gained much notoriety throughout Brisbane, in which Jeff Dahl (Angry Samoans, Powertrip) said they reminded him “at times of the Pistols, The Germs, The Bonzo Dog Band and even early B-52s but it’s a stew of something much more disturbing. You get the feeling these guys weren’t ‘playing’ punk rockers.” Jeff Dahl, Carbon 13, #25, 2004. Their punk classic 1983 single “Buzzsaw Popstar”, with its trade mark chant became an instantaneous hit at 4ZZZ. They disbanded in 1984 only to reform in 1988 after the “Buzzsaw Popstar” single re-release. They changed to a harder psyche/ metal influenced sound and went on to support Iggy Pop at Easts Leagues Club during his Instinct tour. Of other Punk bands of Brisbane’s third generation were New Improved Testament, The Upsets, Public Execution, Black Assassins, Pictish Blood, Dumb Show, La Fats and Strange Glory. Popular venues from this particular time include Amyl’s Nitespace, Zits, The Australian National Hotel, The New Exchange Hotel, The Atcherley Hotel, Whispers, Griffith and Queensland Universities the Factory, Run corn Hall and the South Brisbane Blind Hall.

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