Talk:Guru Arjan Dev

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[edit] what is this?

i dont know how to describe it, im not very good at wikipedia, but it certainly does not belong in something resembling an encyclopedia. maybe weasel words? maybe npov? whatever.

"Thus Guru Sahib embraced death on..."

"The death of Guru Sahib changed the entire character of Sikhism radically from a passive people to courageous saint soldiers."

that type of thing.

[edit] Variant Spellings

Why does the name change from Arjan to Arjun and back again? I suggest (unless there is a specific meaning to this) that we settle on one spelling and mention any variants that are acceptable. Msalt 21:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This is because of the same reason that muhammed can be spealt differently both of which is becasue its hard to translate directly into english

Well The name is Arjun and not Arjan.Back in 1800 's british historians spelled it ARJOON to make it pronouncable the way it was pronounced by sikhs.It should be corrected to Arjun.Arjan was used by historians holding not a great view about Guru Arjun.Ajjay (talk) 14:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

In situations like this it's policy to use the more common spelling, not what is more historically correct. Google says that "Arjan" is more common, at 63,300 for "Guru Arjan" (excluding Wikipedia-related hits), and 30,900 for "Guru Arjun". Britannica lists both with Arjan first, Sikhwiki.org lists him as Arjan (with Arjun as a redirect to it), etc. It seems that Arjan is more common, so we should probably use it as the main spelling. Arjun should of course still be listed as an alternate spelling in the first paragraph. But even if "Arjun" is technically more correct, Wikipedia uses what is most common. -kotra (talk) 02:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and change it back to Arjan as per my last comment. -kotra (talk) 20:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I've also changed it now on all other articles. -kotra (talk) 22:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

But shouldn't the correct things be shown than what is more common or popular.After all numbers are not the right way to determine what is right or wrong.It is more of a mob thing.Like the sheep that jumped from a cliff!Ajjay (talk) 07:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

This is based on a Wikipedia guideline. The purpose is to make articles easier to find and identify for everyone. -kotra (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I should mention that even if the name is not as technically accurate as another, that doesn't prevent the article itself to describe and use the more accurate name, as long as it's backed up by a reliable source. The name itself doesn't have to be factually accurate, that's what the article is for. -kotra (talk) 21:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace

Is the birthplace correct? I seem too find differences one other web site? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.92.12 (talk) 23:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Let us know the website you saw a different birthplace on, and if it's a reliable source, we can include it as a possible birthplace too. -kotra (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)