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I started taking interest in this cute figure Gudea after I started attending a course in sculpture in London. I was attracted to his picture in one of the books which our instructor displayed on her desk. Since then I have been hooked and I bought a stone and started chisling away in an ambitious attempt to replicate one of the statues which depict him. I have a desire to read everything available about Gudea and Lagash. Maher Othman
If Statue E really is a standing sculpture, it's impossible that this is the "Architect with the Plan"-Statue, because Gudea is there sitting. Kenwilliams 12:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New Material
I have added a significant amount to this article and will proceed to wikify it and make sure it is in keeping. I also plan to split off the article on statues, as I think it is better suited as a stand-alone article. If anyone has any objections or suggestions, please let me know (Help, of course, is always welcome). Thanks. Elijahmeeks 00:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dates
In the article you can read a lot of times exact dates (for the year). But this isn't possible exactly to say, because it's not possible with the actuel stand of the science to reconstruct the cronology so exact. So I also delete the Year-of-Death-Category. Kenwilliams 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Though I agree with you in principle, this is a problem of history in general, isn't it? I used exact dates that I drew from respectable sources. Traditionally, historical information includes the best date, to be replaced when a better date is acknowledged. I don't know if this is the best system, but it is the way that this works in academia... Elijahmeeks 19:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- On review, I noticed this was a category deletion. I think deaths of 2124BC is a pretty lame category, and senseless to boot, so my thanks for they tidying up. My response above was motivated by a conversation I had regarding the exact dates of Assurbanipal and how could we know and how does Wikipedia know, and so I thought this was in the same vein. Elijahmeeks 19:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Main problem is, that nobody knows correct dates before the third Millenium B.C. - then there are sometimes dates we can verify the years as correct. But for the sumerian time it's never possible. Sad, but true. Kenwilliams 14:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Orphan paragraph
On September 22, 2007, I removed the following paragraph from the end of the article because it is unclear just which period of time it is talking about.
- The resurgence of the importance of gods in the script of Lagaš may be more a result of the cultural character of Southern Mesopotamia reasserting itself than it is a response to the chaotic nature of a post-Akkadian world. Sargon wasn’t much of a stabilizing influence to the South so much as he was a new target for their previously local martial aggression. Instead of warring with each other constantly, Lagaš, Ur, Elam and their counterparts rebel sporadically from Akkad, the conflicts more costly and therefore less constant. As such, when they finally throw off the yoke of imperial control, they return to the old tradition of local conflict, Lagaš conquering neighboring city-states, including its old enemy Elam, and using the spoils to fund the creation of monuments to the gods.
This paragraph doesn't seem to appropriately follow the death of Gudea (2124 BCE), where it is placed, but rather the earlier death of Sargon (2279 BCE). Thus it seems to be sort of a confusing flashback of uncertain relevance to the article. Indeed, it seems like it would be more appropriate for inclusion in some other article.
I invite its author, or anyone else, to repost it where it should best go, adding appropriate clarifications as to dates under discussion and relevance. Fredwords 22:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
