Talk:Greek cruiser Georgios Averof

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Contents 1 A question 2 Use of Photos 3 Naval Flag 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Averof Balcan.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Averof2.jpg

[edit] A question

What about the use of "she" instead of the "it"?--Littlejohn53 11:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think because it would sound strange to use "she" for a ship with a male name (George). --Kimon 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

But this article is in English wikipedia, we must obey the rules of english language. So while in english all the ships refered as female we must use "she" regardless of male or female name, meanwhile and HMS King George V refered as "she".Pmoshs 12:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)pmoschs

I agree. I was just responding as to why the original editor chose the masculine. --Kimon^talk 22:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Photos

Why photos in PD in Greece removed?

Acording to Greek Law 2121 of 1993 (Government's Gazette 25 A 1993) about Copyright declares: Article 2 5. The protection of present law is not extended in official texts with that are expressed the exercise of constitutional competence and same in legislatively, administrative or juridicial texts, as well as in the expressions of popular delivery, in the news and in the simple events or data.

Article 25 Use for reasons of information 1. It is allowed, without the authorisation of author and without wage in the measure that is justified by the sought aim: a) the reproduction and the distribution in the public, for reasons of description of topical events with means of mass communication of work, that are seen or heard at the duration such event b) the reproduction and the distribution in the public with means of mass communication to the aim of briefing on topical events of political reasons, addresses, preachings, judicial allocutions or other work of similar nature, as well as summaries or extracts from lectures, provided that this work is presented in public. 2. The reproduction and the distribution in the public should, when this is possible, be accompanied from the clue of source and the name of author.

So I thing that tere is not Copyright for photos fropm Official Greek archives (presented in public), publicity staff of Greek State authorities and for reasons of information (as wikipedia is).Pmoshs 14:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that Wikipedia is sited in Florida in the United States and must adhere (with respect to Greek photos) to both US and Greek copyright law. In the United States, anything published before 1923 in the U.S. is in the public domain. For anything published later, with only a few execptions, photos are not in the PD until (in some cases) 120 years after creation. See United States copyright law. I am also frustrated with this, as Greek law is much more open than U.S. law, but there it is. Argos'Dad 22:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Flag

Shouldn't the flag have a crown in it as the ship saw duty while Greece was a kingdom? I'm not at all familiar with the Greek naval flags but, if I'm not mistaken, all flags during the history of the Kingdom of Greece had a crown somewhere. --Kimon^talk 22:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, Kimonandreou, the Naval Jack of the Royal Hellenic Navy (1832-1924) and (1935-1973/4) had a crown in the center of the cross. I can't find that image and because many ships served during both the time of the monarchy and the Hellenic Republics, we have used only the basic Jack (no crown) for all. If someone wants to make the other image, we can see how to use it, once resolve what to do with ships that served during the kingdom and republic... Argos'Dad 03:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Averof Balcan.jpg

Image:Averof Balcan.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 06:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Averof2.jpg

Image:Averof2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 06:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)