Talk:Greco-Roman wrestling
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I deleted the legend. I cut the lines about the old idea that the style was created in France and by French athletes. Unfortunately, if we ignore the campanilism, there is no evidence to demonstrate this. The oldest french writings and rules about wrestling were created by foreigners, above all by European immigrants during the 16th-17th century. Also we know that during the first Olympic games even the sportman Pierre Fredi DeCoubertin called it Greco-Roman wrestling (and not French wrestling). The story of the "French origin" started to circulate during the period of the Belle Epoque, when the "made in Paris" conquered the aristocrats of Europe. But "la lutte moderne" was not created by them. France had strong "lutteurs" only in Bretagne, specialized in the celtic back-hold wrestling style (Gouren), who often went to Paris to show their own skill. Because of this fact, many French thought that Greco-Romaine wrestling was created by them.
Is this a college sport? If not, how do guys get started in it?
- Greco isn't the style that the NCAA uses - that's Collegiate wrestling, and because colleges use collegiate, high schools use a similar style with a few tweaks. The Olympics use freestyle and Greco, though, so the national governing body (USA Wrestling) promotes off-season tournaments in those styles (usually freestyle Saturday and Greco Sunday). Guys start wrestling Greco to improve their balance and upper-body skills, and the ones who are good keep at it. They're not always the same ones who are good at the other two styles. Mytildebang 18:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The text reads: "This form of wrestling was believed to have adapted from the Ancient Greek style of wrestling and to have been practiced mostly by Roman soldiers throughout the empire. In fact, it is derived from a 19th Century French form of show-wrestling popular for its high throws. Real ancient wrestling was quite different; see pankration." In fact,Pankration and wrestling were separate sports in ancient olympic games. This part of the text isn't exactly pertinent I think. XVA 10:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree - it's a common misconception that Greco is the more "pure" style, somehow, because it is closest to the "true" Greek style. I think it's an interesting and relevant fact. Mytildebang 17:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- What I'm questioning is the Pankration reference. It is totally irrelevant to the topic since it was a separate sport in the ancient games that actually included blows (punching and kicking).XVA 05:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Greek wrestling or Pale would be the correct reference, and it was indeed very different than modern Greco - see the article. It allowed submissions, did not forbid leg holds, etc. Greco has almost nothing to do with Pale. I'm changing it to reflect this and removing the tag as I believe this to be very clear, please continue the discussion if you believe this to somehow be a mistake. FlowWTG 01:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notes
Seems the notes are get cumbersome on the page. A drop-down list would be a solution. Is that an option?--THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
