Talk:Governor's Cup (Kansas)

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[edit] Wichita State University

Back when Wichita State University had a football team, they were included in the "Governor's Cup" contest--at least, as I recall. Can anyone confirm?--Paul McDonald 12:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Forfeit

There's clearly a disagreement on how the result of the forfeited 1980 game should be handled in the article. There are essentially three options: 1) Count it as a win for KU since they won on the field, which would make the series 19-18-1 in favor of KSU, 2) Count it as a win for KSU since KU had to forfeit the game, which would make the series 20-17-1 in favor of KSU, or 3) Don't count it at all since it's in dispute and since both sides claim it as a victory, which would make the series 19-17-1 in favor of KSU. Personally, I could live with either option 2 or option 3 as long as there is explicit mention that the two schools each count the 1980 game as a win. I don't think option 1 is approproiate given the forfeit, and I say that as a graduate of KU. Maybe list it at a KSU win with an asterisk that then refers to the note about the result being in dispute. Any other thoughts? Jakzhumans 21:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You have laid out the options nicely. Unfortunately, the NCAA itself is not consistent in recordkeeping for forfeits and vacated games in the division formerly known as Division I-A. (I think the NCAA does this because it is petulant about the fact they don't control the bowls, as also demonstrated by changing the name to the awkward Division I-Football Bowl Subdivision.) Contrariwise, in basketball the NCAA recordbook is clear that schools' records are adjusted for forfeits and vacated games.[1] I think that indicates that this is the proper thing also to do in the football context; thus the record is 20-17-1 in favor of KSU. Further, Chris Stassen, who is probably the most well-known and well-respected amateur college football historian, takes this approach, explaining his reasons on his website.[2] Finally, I think your option 3 is proper for a school that vacates a win (like OU in 2005), but option 2 is proper for a school that forfeits a win (like KU in 1980). (There should be a difference since they are two distinct penalites.) I am definitely OK with an adding an asterisk that refers to the note, but I believe the record should be stated as 20-17-1 (until Saturday) in favor of KSU. - Kgwo1972 22:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

That is absolutely fine with me. Now if we can just get the lurkers to stop altering it every time it doesn't favor their personal favorite school. Jakzhumans 02:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)