Talk:Gothmog (Third Age)

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I've yet to hear a theory that the Gothmog of the third age was actually a balrog. Oberiko 14:07, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've actually heard it. [[User:Anárion|Image:Anarion.png]] 14:31, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Where? We (myself included) need to get into the habit of substantiating our claims with citations. --[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 20:54, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Heard, as in audibly heard, in a bar discussion a few years back (1999?) in London. [[User:Anárion|Image:Anarion.png]] 21:44, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

But do you have any recordings to prove it? :> Ausir 21:54, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

At the Encyclopedia of Arda (probably the best source of information on Tolkien's works) they don't even hint that he could be a balrog. I'm removing that and putting the link on the page. Oberiko 12:30, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

How could Gothmog be Boldog? Wasn't Boldog slain in HoME? I've forgotten which one, but I think Lost Tales 1 or 2. Maeglin Lómion 03:17, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought Gothmog was the body of Sauron, similar to the Mouth of Sauron, in a reading (no reference) I remember and in the movie, Gothmog was missing fingers that Isildor cut off the original Sauron. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.58.232 (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

"Still, however unlikely, he could have been an Orc — consider that the Captain of Cirith Ungol was Shagrat, an Orc."

However unlikely? Why is this in the sentence? There is nothing to say that it is any less likely than any of the other choices. It should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.179.25 (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

gothmog was not a balrog. if sauron had such an awsome power under his control, surely tolkein would have mentioned what it was. according to the encyclopedia of arda (and the book i have in front of me) gothmog (the balrog) was killed by ecthelion. in EoA, gothmog has 2 listings, one as Gothmog, lord of Balrogs, the other, Gothmog, Lieutenant of Morgul.

"Gothmog is mentioned precisely once in The Lord of the Rings, and we're given absolutely no clues about his race. As second-in-command to the Lord of the Nazgûl himself, he clearly had very great authority over Sauron's forces, and this has led some to suggest that Gothmog was also one of the Nazgûl. This by no means impossible, but it is notable that Frodo and Sam, who saw the Witch-king lead his armies from Minas Morgul, only observed one Nazgûl leading the host.

Others have speculated that Gothmog might have been a Man. We know that the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr was a Man (a descendant of the Black Númenóreans), so it seems perfectly plausible that the Lieutenant of Morgul might come from the same race. What's more, the Witch-king's companions, as seen by Frodo and Sam, do seem to have been Men.

The idea of Gothmog being an Orc seems rather less likely, but even that possibility cannot be dismissed. Ultimately, there's no hard evidence about Gothmog's race."Zroberts 05:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

HOW IS THIS NOTABLE?! This is a minor character in a book that has had little effect on human culture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.236.205 (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

If you have an issue with this, there are numerous characters and other literary devices from Tolkien's works which are much more minor. Personally, I'm fine if this remains -- Wikipedia's greatest asset is the ability to post anything and everything -- we just need to keep it organised. --Thisisbossi 05:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

erm... not really, wikipedia is not supposed to have every god damned character of LOTR... whats when LOTR own wikipedia-like encyclopedia (i have no idea whats its name) is supposed to show up.

[edit] Merge?

Why in heck should this be merged with a completely different guy from a different time period? 68.239.209.131 03:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Merging characters from different races and ages is not welcomed, especially in cases like this when no connection between them was made by Tolkien. It can still be merged, but into some "Minor characters in The Lord of the Rings", though personally I dislike such titles. Súrendil 08:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)