Talk:Gospel Book

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Contents 1 Removed sentence 2 Current use section 3 Order of sections 4 Merge from Evangeliarium

[edit] Removed sentence

I removed the sentence "It was produced for the Roman Catholic Church for masses." I feel that this was inaccurate or at least incomplete for several reasons. Many Gospel Books were produced by the Eastern church which can not be considered "Roman Catholic". Many of the more famous Gospel Books (Book of Kells, Book of Durrow, Lindisfarne Gospels) were produced by the Celtic Church which was most decidedly not Roman Catholic (see Synod of Whitby). Finally, although the most common use was reading during Mass, there were liturgucal readings from the Gospel that were not part of the Mass. Dsmdgold 23:14, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Current use section

I have added a section on the current use of the Book of the Gospels in the Roman Catholic liturgy. If there is a similar use in Anglican or Orthodox services, please add this. Essjay (talk) 15:42, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

This is all very good information. How are current Roman Catholic Gospel Books organized? Do they start at the begininning of Matthew and run through the end of John? Do they include additional introductions ot tables of readings? I am curious as to when the practice of using a seperate Gospel Book was revived by Roman Catholics. In the Middle ages, Gospel Books quit being produced in the Western Church in about the 12th century. (They were largely replaced by Pericopes, or Gospel lectionaries.) Is this a post-Vatican II thing? As for Anglican practice, the churches I have been a member of either read from the Book of Common Prayer, or from a Bible. I am planning a fairly major expansion of the medieval section. (Although it might be a while before I get to it) When I do get to it, perhaps the two sections should be split into two articles, since one part will about liturgical use, and the other will be written from the Art historical stand-point Dsmdgold 17:00, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

They follow the same schedule as the Lectionary; they are meant to be a complement to the Lectionary, not a substitute. They typically also include the prayers said before and after reading the Gospel.

[edit] Order of sections

Yes, this is the English Wikipedia. That doesn't justify the ordering insisted on here. Eastern Christianity indeed conducts its services in English where it exists in English-speaking countries and is not serving primarily an immigrant community. The Gospel Book on my own parish's altar is the KJV.

I suspect (although I do not know, since I'm not the one who made it this way) that the ordering was based on the relative importance of the Gospel Book in modern practice within each tradition. In Western Christianity it's only seen at the Mass and isn't required even then. In Eastern Christianity you would only do without it in extreme circumstances, and it occupies a central place both metaphorically and literally.

This is at least as valid a criterion for deciding on the order of the sections as which group has a numerically larger English-language presence. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at all, I moved the Western section above the Eastern when the Eastern became several times longer. If you want to see the Eastern section and don't navigate from the contents box you only have to read a relatively brief piece; not so the other way round. The relevance of this being the English Wiki is that clearly a majority of readers will have a closer relationship, of whatever kind, with the Western tradition than with the Eastern. Various denominations from the Western traditions will use Russian or Greek etc Gospel books in their services locally, but I would not dream of suggesting that the Western tradition should come first in those Wikis. Johnbod 00:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Evangeliarium

I added a tag to this page recommending the info on the seperate article Evangeliarium me merged into this page. The title "Gospel Book" is probably less obscure than "Evangeliarum". Does anyone have any suggestions? MishaPan (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I would oppose this as the two book types are really separate things. The core of a Gospel Book starts at Matthew 1:1 and proceeds all the way through the four Gospels in order. An Evangeliarium contains the readings for the mass in the liturgical order, so that a reading from Matthew may be followed by a reading from John which is followed by one from Mark, which is then followed by one from Matthew, etc. The readings are relatively short sections that usually tell one event. The Gospel Book in the medieval period had quite a few traditional supplementary texts that are often not found in the Evangeliaria. The difference in the two book types could be made more clear in both articles. Dsmdgold (talk) 23:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)