Talk:Goldsea Asian American Daily

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Goldsea's status as the first and leading Asian American website has attracted both wanted and unwanted attention. Those who value the unique perspective it offers on American life and world affairs applaud it. Others seem to feel threatened or excluded by it and expend considerable energies in trying to discredit and denigrate it. Ironically, the persistence of its critics attest to the place Goldsea occupies in the consciousness of those with an interest in Asian American affairs.

One source of persistent attacks on Goldsea appear to be non-Asian men who resent the site's efforts to balance the traditional White men/Asian women pairings with Asian men/White women pairings. For example, the discussions below inevitably come to focus on this sexual conflict as the driving force behind attacks on Goldsea's editorial policies:

Since the "Asian fetish" is supported by this website's cluster of racist views, it suggests the concept is racist and false rather than a legitemate accusation against non-Asian men. This is why this is an important page. Dark Tichondrias 01:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

But this isn't unique to Goldsea, is it? I guess my question is, what makes Goldsea in particular special? Is it very popular? Does it get many hits? Is it linked to from widely read websites? Etc. --Lukobe 01:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Alexa rank of 94,615 which is really high. -- Миборовский 00:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

That seems very low. --Lukobe 02:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

For an extremist fringe group, it's pretty high. -- Миборовский 02:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There are a few Asia-based companies called GoldSea also. Are you sure that already-low Alexa ranking isn't including sites mentioning these as well? Also, a good indicator of how non-notable this really is is that the only hits I come up with on Google are from Asian-American blogs or forums saying things like "check out the pic of this hot Chinese businesswomen on Goldsea.com" (kinda ironic, huh?) and absolutely no mention, critical or otherwise, from any mainstream source. When you can't find anything negative regarding "an extremist fringe group", I'd say the fact that nobody's paying attention makes it non-notable by definition.--WilliamThweatt 01:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Miborovsky did not say anything to support their claim that it was an "extremist fringe group", because the reasons it is an extremist group have already been listed at the top of this page. It is extreme in that it steps beyond what other Asian American organizations are willy to say about race and interracial relationships> It is a fringe group because few are willing to make their claims when few others would have made them.

Intuitively, a non-notable source is a source which is not notable, but the definition of non-notable which is important in this case is Wikipedia's policy on notability in determining the inclusion of articles.--Dark Tichondrias 06:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

GoldSea is [i]definitely[/i] a very controversial website that indeed espouses extreme point of views, mainly about Asian superiority. And by Asian, they mean East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) only. I've been to that site a few times (one of those train wrecks you can't turn away from) and quite a few times, they claim that the Southeast Asians are statistically dragging Asian people down.

I have just visited Goldsea.com. I do not think it is a racist website. Goldsea seems to be some sort of news blog that mostly focus on business, economic and current topics. Goldsea even has a page for "Asian Women & White Men". I feel that the person who started this Wiki entry -- from his/her tone and language -- seemed to have a strong personal vendetta against Goldsea.com. The entry accuses Goldsea of being racist, but it does not show any particular quote or evidence to show the racism. Therefore, I added a Point-of-View entry to reflect that fact. - ktchong 9 August 2006 (UTC)

GoldSea is controversial in that there have been articles and comments that espouse the view that Asians are the superior race. While some may argue that statistics back this up (e.g. Asians have the highest IQs, graduate from the most prestigious colleges, etc.), the site's goal (at least in the past) was to promote Asian supremacy (referring to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans only--in the past, GoldSea only considered those three ethnicities to be part of the "superior" Asian race). Perhaps GoldSea has tried to clean up its image now (no doubt they have damaged themselves with their remarkably extreme points of view), but if you visited that site a couple of years ago, it was pretty much promoting the notion that Asians are superior in terms of wealth, intelligence, and looks while all the other races are inferior.

Then the main entry show clearly show the evidence and quote from the Goldsea website to show that it is racist. There is a difference between taking pride in the accomplishment of Asians in America and promoting superiority. I frequented Goldseas some years ago, but then I stopped visiting it because it was an uninteresting website. (It still is.) And, I've looked around, I have never seen anyone or anywhere else that claimed that Goldsea was "controversial". In fact, the website is not even popular enough to be controversial. This wikipedia entry is the only article that claims Goldsea is controversial. - ktchong 11 August 2006

Do you even understand what constitutes a supremacist group? Just because a group is proud of their achievement does not make that said group supremacist, for Goldsea in no way advocates violence or discrimination against other racial groups, and Goldsea does not advocate things such as racial segregation. In fact, it actively promotes assimilation and integration of the different races in the United States both among Asians themselves, and between Asians and non-Asians.

Compare Goldsea to white supremacist groups and publications that actively advocates violent acts against minorities, and segregation of the races, I hardly think it's fair to label Goldsea as "supremacist" or "racist". 75.11.163.127 06:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I acknowledge that Goldsea (and other Asian supremacy groups) does not advocate violence against other races. However, Goldsea and Asian supremacy constantly propagates the theme that Asians are the most superior race. They claim that their high IQs, high incomes, overrepresentation at elite universities, etc., automatically makes Asians (particularly East Asians) superior to other groups. Because of their apparent superiority--in particular, their intellect and income--they feel they should be entitled to anything they want. No, Goldsea doesn't advocate "physical violence" against other races, but Goldsea does advocate the mentality that East Asians should dominate everything, and that all other races should bow down to East Asians.

I know some supporters of Goldsea (and Asian supremacy in general) will claim that there's truth to the concept of Asians being superior and that their overachievements are verified. But to constantly boast about their overachievements--and putting everybody else down, including Southeast Asians--is not showing Asian pride; it's showing denigration and disrespect for others just because Asians don't consider them their equal.

Seems like the page only exists to point out "editorial biases", which is purely opinion of the person making the accusation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.115.2 (talk) 07:08, August 24, 2007 (UTC)