Talk:Going Dutch

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This can be perceived as unfair for those who drink or eat less (usually women relative to men). I removed the part noting women eating generally eating less than men. This sounds kind of stereotypical (and as far as I've witnessed, the women I've seen eat as much as guys on average). MardukZero 01:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Is is quite plausible to me, this behaviour originates from the Netherlands. In the Netherlands, it is common practice people which are not married, pay seperately. Dutch women even could get offended when men offer to pay all; an association with prostitution is often made is this case. I'm coming from the Netherlands, so I know. 20:23CET, 14 Jul 2005

Well, you might be from the Netherlands but the assumption that Dutch women think that you think she is a prostitute if you offer to pay for her dinner is just nonsense. Maybe radically feminist ones or something. It could be that some get offended by such an offer, but normally IF a woman objects to having her dinner paid she would just decline in a polite manner. Trust me, i'm from the Netherlands 'so I know';-) Maybe Dutch women tend to object to such an offer more often than women from other western countries, I don't know but it wouldn't suprise me. --Vunzmstr 13:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Dutch Teabreak

I'd be interested to see if people deem this phrase worthy of inclusion: Basically it's a euphemism for masturbation - but many of you knew this already - it's certainly in keeping with the negative stereotypes of the Dutch.

It does not belong in this article, as it does not explain the subject of going Dutch. If it belongs anywhere, it would be the Dutch disambiguation page, which currently contains slang terms of that sort. However, I don't know if it's really notable. MagnesianPhoenix (talk) 09:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC) [signed retroactively]

[edit] In Spain, and catalonians

I can't speak for the whole catalonia, but in barcelona it's certainly indeed that we follow the "Dutch Date". Primarly due to high cost of living. We call it "Pagar a escote". For instance in a meal of close friends everyone looks at the bill and puts money for whatever he has taken. When going with just another person, one pays everything, but the next meal the other pays. As for romantic dates it's quite similar. And I'd feel offensed if I had to pay always for a given girl. And she'd as well if I was always paying (or the other way). We tend to an equilibrium.

[edit] What do they say in Holland?

I hear it's "Going American"... Dsmouse 17:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

True, its called a "Amerikaans Feest" (American Party) or "Going American :) A Duck

"Amerikaans feest"? No, that is not the same. An "Amerikaans feest" (American Party) is a party in a private house (or garden) to which all the guests bring drinks and food, which is divided among all the guests. Thus the host does not bring in all the nourishment and beverages himself.
"Going Dutch" does not have an equal translation in Dutch. Most commonly used is the expression that the group pays the bill "every man for himself" ("ieder voor zich"). In practice though this way of paying is not very common in The Netherlands. It is not considered very polite to calculate exactly the amount you ate or drank for. Usually the bill is split up in equal parts. So if you ate out with a group of 4, you pay 1/4th of the bill even if the others used more (or less!) than you did. This way of paying hardly has any connections with stinginess, but more with the idea of equallity.Hettie van Nes 18:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another part of western world...

Dutch is not the only place where it is common to pay separately. Here in Québec, checks are usually given one per person. It is not much a matter of a girl being offended to be treated as a prostitute, but she would maybe think that it looks as if she cannot pay for herself or that your really have a strong romantic interest towards her. I totally like it that way (let's be autonomous), and I really think it tends to bring awkward moments when two friends of opposite sex go somewhere and the waiter brings only one bill, which usually fall on the guy. It was just a little feminine input here...

[edit] Ironically

Is it really ironic that women nowadays prefer men to pay? What sort of irony? -- Strib 03:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Dutch Dates

I dont think that the bit about a woman offering to pay, and if her offer is accepted, she assumes the man is dissinterested is entirely correct. Having studied a bit of psychology in the dating aspect of human interactions, I dont think that that statement is accurate enough to include it in an encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.96.79.107 (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC).


Probably not. I'm from Sweden, and the young women's magazines over here actually tell women to never assume that the man will pay. He will probably consider it quite rude if she don't offer to pay her part of the bill. - Anneli —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.64.5 (talk) 12:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

(Personal research alert)
I can't remember when, but "Going Dutch" appeared as a synonym and eventual replacement for the common expression, "Dutch Treat," i.e. no treat at all. Thus it originates in the use of "Dutch" meaning "spurious": Dutch Book, Dutch Courage . . . . Jackaroodave 18:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

The whole article seems nonsense to me. The origin lies in the 17th century England and Holland were rivals. They fought wars in 1652-54, 1665-67 and 1672-74 and the Dutch were kicking England's ass. Sayings like Dutch Courage, poking that the Dutch had to drink alcohol to build up their courage, Dutch treat (meaning you pay for yourself, suggesting the Dutch are cheap) and Double Dutch, meaning gibberish, originate from this area. This should be the starting point of the article if it wants to be accurate. Then, you continue from this point, and can describe how this old term was used to describe modern dating practices. Excuse me for saying, but crap like the Dutch feminism movement is hilarious and originates from a imaginative mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.8.13 (talk) 19:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etiquette

Does the Etiquette section strike anyone else as outdated? It is indeed important to discuss the traditional precursor, and maybe I'm just one of those "less affluent people," but isn't splitting the bill the de facto common method? And do any restaurants still have "ladies' menus"? 74.32.163.89 (talk) 09:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] go Dutch = pagar a escote

As the article says, the slag is "pagar a escote" in Spanish. However, in this phrase the word "escote" (quota, share) does not have any relation with the homograph "escote" (cleavage, neckline). At least, not in the Diccionario de la Real Academia Espanola. --Jean Yevenes (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)