Talk:God in Judaism

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Contents 1 Henotheism 2 Rationale for this article 3 Why is there almost no mention of Ugarit and Canaanite historical origins? 4 Jewish or Israelite? 5 Forms vs. Emanations

[edit] Henotheism

Modern Judaism is not Henotheistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.75.218 (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Rationale for this article

I created this article using text extracted from Jewish principles of faith. Thus, in its current incarnation, it is a content fork of that article. However, the intent is that this separate article allows for a fuller exposition of the topic "God in Judaism" or "Judaic conceptions of God" without dominating the rest of the Jewish principles of faith article.

Moreover, this title fits in the series God in Abrahamic religions, God in Christianity, God in Islam, God in Buddhism and God in Hinduism. It should also be referenced by the Conceptions of God article.

--Richard 09:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is there almost no mention of Ugarit and Canaanite historical origins?

Even if it's debate, the existence of a YHWH in Ugarit and several archaeological artifacts linking him with Ashera as his consort is an important part of this article from a historical non biased view point.

It's documented how there existed sub groups that worshiped YHWH as part of the Ugaritic pantheon. Whether these groups are the origin of or developed from Judaism is up to debate but it should be mentioned.

See: the Ugaritic Cuneiforms (e.g. the Ras Shamra tablets) and the inscriptions found in the 1970s at Khirbet el-Qom and a bunch more i can't think of off the top of my head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish or Israelite?

We have a legitimate fork in this article. Judiasm is not the same as ancient Israelite religion. Israelite religion is about the henotheistic relationship to the ellim, Jewish religion is a Rabbinic Jewish monotheism. The Israelite article needs to discuss the Ugarit and Canaanite sources. The Jewish article would start with the monotheism of Maccabees or the Rabbinic tradition. Whoever originally wrote about henotheism was thinking Israelite, not Jewish. --Jayrav (talk) 03:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forms vs. Emanations

Maybe someone can clarify better in the article.

There is:

"The concept of a Singular God taking multiple forms (as in the doctrine of Trinity) are equally heretical in Judaism."

And directly previous to that:

"Ein Sof, which is the aspect of God that lies beyond the emanations (sefirot)."

Not to mention in Tzadik there is "Therefore one can not ask a question about an intermediary since this is the essence of God Himself, as He has clothed Himself in a human body"

While in Judaism's view of Jesus there is "In Judaism, the idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical"

So we have

• God / Trinity & Ein Sof / Sefirot
• God clothed in Jesus & God clothed in Rebbe

Then someone like me asks, why is one heretical and the other not when both do the same thing? -Bikinibomb (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

That idea of "Tzadik" is absolutely 100% heretical. -LisaLiel (talk) 19:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as the sephirot are concerned, they are creations, and not actual "facets" or "attributes" of God. Calling them attributes is verbal shorthand, is all. -LisaLiel (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I know they are created portals as such, but through them God manifests in ten ways. For Christians, God manifests in three ways. So...? I don't see anything in Tzadik that says it is heretical, do you know of a source saying it is? I think if you are going to use Trinity as an example it needs to be crystal clear as to how it is different since I see similar stuff in Judaism. Otherwise just don't compare it. -Bikinibomb (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)