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thanks

Hey dude, thanks for doing that. I was researching info about that idoit boy people tried to file reports and where declined to help. Man dude you finally stop this prick from his games. Thanks for all your help. You may have stoped one of the wrost Wikipedian vandal in history. Oh it should be added in the books; that user:rio de oro , and user:GO-PCHS-NJROTC stoped user:Mmbabies from making threats aganist people. Thanks for all your help man.--Rio de oro (talk) 23:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if we'll get barnstars out of this. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Not that it matters though. A barn star is like a military metal, there's no guide line stating that a person will recieve one for meeting a certain criteria, it's awarded when someone feels a user deserves it. It cannot be applied for like a scholarship either. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 18:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey dude, if you get this arrested would you vouch for me and tell Jimbo(the head guy) that I filed the report. I want Wikipedia history books to say that the both of us stoped this moron from harming people. Anyway dude, thanks alot dude. Without you , this guy would have harm someone.Anyway,wtf is a barnstar. Like a Medal of Honor here on Wikipedia. Thats pretty cool we get them.Rio de oro (talk) 18:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

my page.

Can you protect my talk page. I'm afraid that guy might try to threaten me or something as retailation or something since he might of read the abuse report or someone told him.--Rio de oro (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid not, I'm not an admin. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out dude. Spread the word that Mmbabies is gone from here.Rio de oro (talk) 01:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't get your hopes too high, we don't really know yet. Lets wait and see what happens. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
How long does it take to get a reply. Anyway do a WHOIS on that ip, I swear to god there is 800 # to AT&T abuse department. WHOIS that mfs ip addressRio de oro (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Right here http://samspade.org/whois/68.90.62.244. Look down at the # for abuse .Rio de oro (talk) 01:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
It would be better to wait and see what happens. Most ISPs prefer abuse reports by email, despite the fact that the volunteer manual says to call them when possible. That only applies to schools and organizations like that. If abuse continues from their customer, I will file a complaint against AT&T through the Better Business Bureau at http://search.bbb.org or maybe the Florida Department of Argriculture and Consumer Services at http://www.800helpfla.com. Either of them would mail a copy of my complaint to AT&T, and that beats calling them any day. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

contacts

Hey dude, have you tried google found Alief Independent School District website. They have to have a website, so you can contact their audit department , or 24-HR Police Department. Also any luck on getting AT&T on the phone. What about FBI; I thought the FBI was strict on this. I guess they spend their $$$$ on finding OBL(you know), and tracking pervs. What about idoits like user:Mmbabies. Thats my opinion, I dont work for the FBI. Give me an update on your contacts.--Rio de oro (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
It look like that bastard Mmbabies used the Alief ISD ip again. FEB 4 2008.

205.196.178.200(I found that while looking at his latest puppets.) Pardon my vulgar on saying that the b-word. I hope I'm my edit is not reverted. I have the freedom of speech.--Rio de oro (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

user:205.196.178.200 whois has a contact number of a guy for the ALIEF ISD's ISP maybe this guy could trace or find Mmbabies name/house so we can prosecute this bastard.Rio de oro (talk) 22:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see enough evidence to say that the edit made on February 4th was made by Mmbabies. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


barnstar

Hey dude, do we each a get a barnstar for reporting that idoit boy Mmbabies. I should be creditied on this as much of you dude. --Rio de oro (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Now this joker, now knows my user name now. If he makes a threat aganist me I'm making a report to TEXAS RANGERS ONLINE.Rio de oro (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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contacts

I would I've called the Houston cops , but I dont want that Mmbabies knowing my address. PCHS- when you phoned the cops from Houston did you your "real name" or a persona (ie. fake name). Just asking or Mmbabies might track you down.Rio de oro (talk) 01:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
He don't scare me, I've seen scum like him before. He's probably some bored welfare bum using a phone line the taxpayers are paying for, the sooner it's disconnected, the better I like it. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
And that's not a personal attack, I've seen similar situations before. Just ask the dumb cheerleaders at Charlotte High School (Punta Gorda, Florida), they can make up more crap than anyone I know. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and that's not a personal attack at all cheerleaders, the ones at PCHS for example are good people, but the CHS tarpons however...
PCHS- if you got a relative or a friend that lives in Texas ; just ask them to phone to Texas Rangers on Mmbabies . Rio de oro (talk) 01:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know anyone out there, and the Texas Rangers refered me to the Houston Police. Maybe if you tried calling 911 and giving them the address found at http://www.whitepages.com/10867/search/ReversePhone/?phone=7136657701 they'd be willing to take a report over the phone. It could be considered an emergency because death threats were made. Do not give the cops a false name! GO-PCHS-NJROTC

(talk) 01:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, dude I dont. Mmbabies hasnt found your email. He hasnt made a off-wiki threat right. Any way dude for some help contact mr user:Mike Godwin . He is legal guy for the Wiki foundation. or mr user:Jimbo Walles. The two guys, are the head chesses here on Wikipedia if you need help they can help you more.Also Mr. Godwin's phone number is on his page. I dont want to post it here I dont want to make the Pandora's box more hard to close. --Rio de oro (talk) 01:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I will. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
If Mmbabies is arrested, your name is not going to be on the file in Harris County(HOUSTON,TX PD) or what. Or do you have to drive to houston, tx for his trial. Maybe tommrow Mmbabies is going to be his "welcome" from the jail , or the "sting" from the "soap"(catch my drift)--Rio de oro (talk) 01:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Too bad they won't be doing anything, they don't take reports over the phone. My only hope is the FBI at this time. I may be able to call the fbi from the Dean's Office at school, but they block Wikipedia on the school network (blame the Tarpons at Charlotte High and Manta Rays at Lemon Bay, now all of us suffer from their vandalism, including Port Charlotte Pirates). I wonder if they block the secure wikpedia website? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Does any of your RTOC pals, now about "this". Does the dean give to 2 CENTS you use the phone or he gets on PO'd--Rio de oro (talk) 01:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
This time thank the other schools, their pranks got the payphones removed so we have to go to the deans office to make calls, and it doesn't cost anything. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
How do you plan to spend in the evening trying to prosecute this clown. Anyway dude , wtf is Embraq. Is it some strict ISPRio de oro (talk) 02:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Embarq, as seen on the Embarq article, is what used to be called "Sprint" before Sprint/Nextel made the old Sprint local telecom change their name. I have a phone/DSL line through them as well as Dish Network TV all on one bill. I know the person in charge of their abuse department, so anyone who vandalizes the Port Charlotte High School or JROTC articles from an Embarq Florida IP address is a total idiot. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
email for mr.godwin . (mgodwin[at]wikimedia.org--Rio de oro (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I already did, but not through that email address. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I bet Mmbabies is going to get arrested TODAY.Rio de oro (talk) 22:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Do you think Mmbabies is Juan Miranda(the guy that had that phone number)Rio de oro (talk) 01:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a split opinion on that. If it's not him, it's probably someone he knows, or it could be some random phone number he extracted from the phone book to distract the cops. Too bad for him, however, he was crazy enough to use an IP address to vandalize, and AT&T would know exactly where he lives, and it appears the FBI maybe trying to work with them top track him down. I think someone needs to be bold and use a payphone or something to call that number and attempt to determine who that is and what relation, if any, the person has to Mmbabies, perhaps it's even Mmbabies himself. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Is that new sock really Mmbabies. It was a TORR . Wtf is a TORR . Rio de oro (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
TOR, as explained in the TOR article, is a nonprofit network which allows internet users to use open proxies in order to hide their identity. It is run on a volunteer basis. Although the intent of the system is not malicious, it is unfortunate that some of it's users has used it for malicious purposes, such as Wikipedia vandalism. If you want to know more, just go to their website at https://www.torproject.org or see the TOR Wikipedia article. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 20:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I think Mmbabies is on to us. Have you tried to called the number from a payphone. Rio de oro (talk) 21:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No, but I might try calling it from the courtesy phone in the ROTC room at school, or maybe the dean's office. But school is for learning, so I might not get a chance to. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Have you tried? Another great way to call it would be to use *67 from your personal phone. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

He came back today using another IP 75.1.23.79, IP was blocked a few hours ago. Momusufan (talk) 04:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to call this AT&T abuse number (1-800-648-1626) right now on my cell phone to report Mmbabies activities. I'm going to give them a piece of my mind on Mmbabies work. Is 1-800 numbers are they toll free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rio de oro (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

mmb?

Any luck with that FBI guy responding back to deal with Mmb. I thought this guy was going to hunt Mmbabies down like a rat. Rio de oro (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
You see, these organizations are like Wikipedia's own CheckUser system, they have policies against disclosing any information about the case. Although some organizations will respond that "the appropriate action was taken", they usually won't provide specific details. Some won't disclose any information at all. For internet crime, the FBI is one of those organizations. However, that request for more information from that special agent looks promising, that's the first time I've seen anything like that from them in these kind of cases. AT&T might disclose information to the Better Business Bureau who will probably pass any response from the company down to me, but who knows what will happen. I do know calling AT&T for more information about the action they have taken against Mmbabies would be a total waste of time, they won't disclose any information at all directly. My fear is that Mmbabies is editing from free public wifi and the administrator of the wifi network doesn't have the guts to block Mmbabies' MAC address. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I notice that his last two "socks" came from Houston TX(via AT&T ). I know that AT&T has DSL , DIAL-UP. I herd from my friend's cousin that works with AT&T that AT&T has WI-FI or something like WIFI. I bet that Mmbabies probably knows some pals in Houston that probably have WIFI on a laptop. Also, why didnt Plano,Texas PD not arrest this prick in October 2007 when he threatend Ms. Jaci Vascquez. I thought Yamala reported him to Plano PD for that bs.--Rio de oro (talk) 00:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I say it's more like a public wifi network available without cost to people located in Houston, Texas, or perhaps a restaurant, airport, computer store, or something of similar nature. My question is why the heck they don't just block his MAC address. By the way, what dept. does your friend's cousin work in? Would he be able to do something? I've got a school friend whose dad works at the Embarq abuse dept, and that's why I say it's suicide for them Pollywogs from Lemon Bay High School and Charlotte High School (Punta Gorda, Florida) to vandalize the Port Charlotte High School article. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
My friend's cousin works as a rep call center for AT&T but I dont think he works in the Internet DEPARTMENT. Just the phone department for phone issues about line repair I think. Rio de oro (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Darn it, I was hoping he was in the IT. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 00:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I didnt want him to be dragged along here on this rat hunt for the idoit boy. I'm wondering why Mmbabies wasnt locked up in the fall for making death threats to Jaci Valaezquez. He was reported to the Plano TX PD. Nothing came of that. WTF, happend --Rio de oro (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Go here 75.16.218.167 he posted another death threat Just recently. Momusufan (talk) 02:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Momufusa; if pchs aint here. Post the "latest" socks news on my talk page. Rio de oro (talk) 23:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
PCHS , hey dude. Mmbabies left a new death thrat. Has that FBI guy made a another call to you. Just asking. I'm at a break right now from homework. I was also responding to a wikipedia threat that was placed on article(in Plano HS @ Texas). I was helping to help contact the authorities on this. It was on WP:ANI. The idoit that did that was reported to the cops. I dont get it, Mmbs has been making death threats left and right. But, a guy that makes a threat to a school people all go all crazedd trying to bust this guy like Dog the Bounty Hunter. --Rio de oro (talk) 23:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
PCHS, I just want your opinion on this. The difference between this ...(bs) this edit , and Mmb. Now tell me how are the two the same , or what. Because the ANI treats the two different.--Rio de oro (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
It's really hard to tell a threat from a promise at times. I'm not saying Mmbabies shouldn't be taken seriously, but I doubt that he's really gonna try anything, I think he would have done so by now. Honestly, I don't know why they don't do anything, but because I know from personal experience that really pushing the cops to fry someone isn't always the best idea in some situations. See, I got framed of this kind of crap a couple years ago from some jack ass cheerleader from Charlotte High, and did 21 days for nothing. I resent law enforcement that totally ignore crimes, but I have no idea what they're doing, and I know pushing them around doesn't do anything but turn them against you, and everyone else, against you. Plus, I've seen a lot of internet crime since then, and I have gained experience working with abuse depts, law enforcement, and that kind of crap, it's all part of a goal to fry sam (that's as specific as it gets, damn tarpon cheerleader, pirate cheerleaders are much prettier than those morrons) and her pathetic spammer friends (bring it on morrons, I'm dying to see you send me more crap so I can report more of your trash), and that's exactly what brought me to Wikipedia, reporting vandals. I then decided to create an account, and from there, I started improving the Port Charlotte High School article, as well as some others. As previously stated, Mmbabies should NOT be ignored by any means, but don't let him drive you to Saturn or anything. See, I'm a redneck, I have zero tolerance for anything crazy, but I never let anyone drive me insane beyond reason. By the way, PSHS has one heck of a cool school article, I want to make PCHS' article that good. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
And yes, they both deserve to be taken seriously. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
That must have sucked being in Juvie for 21 days(if you were). I'm not not critizing you dude, because some b___ @$$ cheerleader framed you dude. Rio de oro (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep, it did, and that pollywog didn't get into trouble at all. I'll bet she's even a Wikipedia vandal. What a bunch of bull huh. I can't stand those tarpons (do remember that they're not all evil, however), especially their cheerleaders. Not to say I hate cheerleaders though, I'm friends with almost all of them at PCHS. Now, tell me who's the better school! GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I bet that cheerleader goes to some preppie school that its just Abercrombie and Hollister.--Rio de oro (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Worse than just a preppie school, Charlotte High School (not to be confused with Port Charlotte High School) is a school with preppie crack pot;, CHS has a very bad behavioral record, followed by LBHS, which is somewhere between being the worst or the best HS in CCPS, and then there's PCHS where I go, that has the best record in CCPS, but we have our bas ones too. The sad thing is that while our county has plenty of crime, we're far from being the worst, it just makes me wonder what this world is coming to. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 02:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
There was once a time when students in extracurricular activities, such as NJROTC, band, sports, cheerleading, and such were the example setters, but those days are long gone, I hear they evaporated in the '60s. What ashame. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 02:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
But there are some of us example setters left. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 02:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The school district I go to NEISD has this high school called Reagan HS ; has 3,500 students . It like the OC ; that how preppie it is. A bunch of rich kids in multi-million dollar mansions (houses)--Rio de oro (talk) 16:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Seems like every school district has one of those snooty schools that students at every other school in the district hates. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 16:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
What a disgrace to former president Ronald Reagan! GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 16:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
But they got one hell of a good distance track team. They got the advantage in the district because they live in Stone Oak ; a part in San Antonio , thats all in hills. They are lucking they live in a good area to be good at running. I'm not racist or prejuice okay; for the record I'm not some crazed out racist okay. I'm just saying when I ever bring this people think I was racist which I'm not. --Rio de oro (talk) 23:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Now why would I think that? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I over reacted. Rio de oro (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Mmb update (as of March 16,2008)

Has that FBI cop guy called you back of what he is going to about Mmb. I am going to call that (713) number on my cell phone ; to see who the hell it is. I will just *67 , it and fake my voice& name. I dont want this character to act like that guy from The_Silence_of_the_Lambs_(film) Rio de oro (talk) 18:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The FBI internet crime divisions usually don't discuss their cases unless 1: You are the victum of a serious internet crime, 2: It is a contraversial case which is of wide public interest, or 3: They've busted the criminal and they need someone to come and testify (it's not likely they will call me, there are other witnesses that probably know a bit more about this particular incident, they'll probably only call people that are administrators). This is because a lot of what they do is undercover work, so disclosing too much info could ruin their efforts to track this guy down. As far as calling the # goes, it's probably not a bad idea, just make sure you don't blow your cover. Also, don't tell him that the FBI is after him, this will cause him to panic and probably head for Mexico or somewhere. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Does Mmb act more crazed than that guy Hannibal from The_Silence_of_the_Lambs_(film) or from Hannibal(the movie). I think Mmb is mentally ill , and I think he is on Zoloft , or ProzacRio de oro (talk) 20:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, but I think I just found LBHS Cheerleader's myspace page, there's a myspace page who reportedly belongs to a cheerleader from Lemon Bay named Jessica, and she's a blond, and not a pretty one either. I'm also wondering if it's not User:Bobabobabo based on an edit which was made to Cheerleading, how do we know that girl hasn't moved to Florida. Stupid pollywogs from H-E-Double Hockey Sticks. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I did'nt call the number because the guys on the talk page on the Mmb LTA were getting pissed off at me about it. FYI; any updates from the FBI. Rio de oro (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

You are banned from Wikipedia talk:Long term abuse/Mmbabies and Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Mmbabies ‎

Please do not post to either of these pages again. Everyone else there agrees that you posts are not helpful so I removed them. Also don't come to my talk page and use words like wog. It is disrespectful. Finally remember to log in otherwise your IP address is revealed. If you wish to discuss this please do so on my talk page rather than there.Note also that the ban is only from those pages not wikipedia as a whole.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that just great. They kicked us out of the page the same way we got kicked out of a bar.--Rio de oro (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't care, they can go fly a kite, I'm afraid this deserves attention from various organizations because they are discriminating based on my age. I do hope they don't go putting some silly range block in place when AT&T just gave me that cooperative phone call, remember the fact that it was not them that walked the plank to get that guy disconnected. See, I'm not a very fun internet user to bully around, thousands of hackers and fraudsters outside of Wikipedia have been disconnected and arrested thank's to my anti internet abuse efforts. Since they want lazy adults that have no backbone to take charge of this post, I don't see any reason for me to stay. Hope they have fun! 74.4.117.0 (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Spread the word that Wikipedia just lost an experienced reporter of network abuse (but try to be civil, I don't need a bad reputation). 74.4.117.0 (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
No we are not discriminating based on age. We are discriminating based on childish behaviour I am afraid. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish you'd clearify, I can't see how reportng abuse to AT&T and the FBI instead of hiding my head in the sand is childish. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 00:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
That's the problem -- you overstepped your bounds by contacting the FBI. It's best to leave it to the more advanced echelons of the Wikipedia ladder when you get the government involved. -- azumanga (talk) 03:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, but the reason I contacted the FBI is because it's something I do regularly about other internet problems, and I once saw an "essay" here saying that all threats should be taken seriously and Wikipedians should contact the cops or even 911. I'll look for that one again so you know the exact "essay," but if you don't want people to contact law enforcement, why would an "essay" like that be permitted to exist here. I'm confused. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You mean Wikipedia:Threats of violence? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think that's the one, and I think it's been greatly shortened since I had last read it. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
That's because it is being hotly debated with posts every day. It is a very new proposed policy that hasn't been accepted yet and may never be accepted. However even that page says "ignore" in bold at the bottom. Speculating on whether the troll is male or female, whether they are posting thier own phone number, their mental state, and whether they are on a low income is the exact opposite of ignoring them. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, the "welfare bum" part may have escalated too far, but my point on the "male or female" issue was NOT in relation at all with Rio's phone number speculation, it was the complete opposite, stating that even though there was a chance that the phone number was Mmbabies', there was also a chance that it was NOT Mmbabies' and we needed to consider the possibility that it could be a girl. Besides, why are we still debating this, Mmbabies is probably gone, and we're giving him more attention than he deserves. I say continue to keep on the look out for now and if he doesn't edit for another couple months, then we ought to consider AT&T's promise as a dream come true and burn (not literally) all of the remains of the investigation to prevent copy cats, but I think we ought to look for similar vandalism from other ISPs in the area, she/he might just get another ISP (if she/he can) and continue to vandalize, and if she/he does, we need to attempt to get it disconnected to. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Theresa

FWIW, I saw nothing mentioning me. If you think she's overstepped her bounds, why not try to talk to her, and if that doesn't work...if necessary, ask an uninvolved administrator. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'm trying that. Do you think retirement is overreacting? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes of course it is overreacting. No one wants you to leave. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't want you to leave either -- you just have to know the things that you should and shouldn't do in some situations. -- azumanga (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey!

Hi GPN, when you have the time I would like to chat. Your talk page is fine, because once I post, I have set my preferences to watchlist this page. I am a little worried about you, because I think you might not realize who your "friendlies" are. . .and I think your a good editor who is trying to make the wiki better. Just drop a note here and I will elaborate further --or not-- completely your choice. Best, R. Baley (talk) 08:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Friendlies? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
People who are on your side. . . in the heat of an argument, sometimes any one of us will lose sight of that. Try to minimize the impact of outside troublemakers, don't give them the satisfaction of driving good editors to turn against each other. As long as you're here to make Wikipedia better (and I believe that you are), Theresa is actually on your side. Hope that helps to clarify, R. Baley (talk) 21:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
That's good to hear. See, I guess I disagree with Wikipedia a bit, I think that a good way to handle vandals is to fight them with ISP contacts and such, teach them that Wikipedia is not to be messed with. I hear many of the worlds worst hackers get their start by vandalizing Wikipedia pages. In my opinion, it's like when the Bible says "If you spare the rod, you will spoil the child," and that isn't to imply that all vandals are kids, but adult vandals are people who act as bad or worse than immature children. That's why I'm aggressive at vandals, I'm trying to not "spare the rod." Yes, I'm here to improve Wikipedia, I would not have chosen the name "GO-PCHS-NJROTC" had I been here to vandalize, I'm here to set an example to others and show Pirate P-R-I-D-E (Preparation, respect, integrity, determination, and excellence). No, being a PCHS student is not a requirement to show Pirate PRIDE, anyone can do it (some people wouldn't call it "pirate" pride, but it's still the same concept). GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
No many of the worlds hackers do not get a start by vandalisinf wikipedia, and teaching them that "wikipedia is not to be messed with" is entirely the wrong approach. Most (not all) vandals are simply kids messing about. Contacting an ISP in order to deal with kids messing about is the wrong approach and if we do it too much will likely simply piss the ISP off. Which would be a shame because we do sometimes need to enlist ISP help for really serious agressive users. Remember that Wikipedia is a completely open website where we allow anyone to edit. Since we have no "security" whatsoever vandalism is our problem not an ISP's. We should deal with it in the way we always have- mostly by simply reverting, occasionally using other methods such as blocking. Note that in the time I have been an admin here, antivandalism measures have improved enormously, rollback, bots, newbies contributions page, hide logged in users from recent changes,temporary protection, semiprotection, soft blocking, disabling page moves by newbie users, disable page creation by non logged in editors, and the spam blacklist are all measures that have caused vandalism to become less and less of a problem.
Most people in real life are not even aware that wikipedia is ever vandalised. You pretty much have to go looking for vandals unless you have a page like penis or george bush on your watch list. There is no need to talk of punishing the vandals. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm disappointed that my comment was misinterpreted, I didn't mean every vandal on Wikipedia moves on to hacking or spamming, it's just I've heard of some hackers who have started out damaging Wikipedia articles and then resorted to hacking when Wikipedia vandalism became no longer enough to satisfy them. I've heard that theory more than once, I'm not saying that the theory of most hackers starting out here is true, but I've heard it from various sources, one of those sources being a licenced professional with a college degree in computers and who tracks hackers for a living, I'm going to guess that he determined that based on IP comparison. Many ISPs do take Wiki abuse seriously. Some consider the type of vandalism (for example, some ISPs may care more about Wiki harassment more than writing "John Doe was here" on articles while others have zero tolerence). Remember ISPs aren't always going to step right in and clip someone's line on their first offense, it usually starts with a warning. To an ISP, Wikipedia is no different than any other forum, blog, or newsgroup, they have policies against such abuse. No, biting someone over something mild is a bad idea, it can often be someone with nothing to do that decides to play around with the project, but I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between at work, home, or school just creating a little bit of mischief and a dedicated vandal continually fighting blocks and bans who will likely just get wilder and wilder after every block, eventually leading to someone so mad at the project that they learn to hack, hack many inocent people's computers, then come back to crash the whole Wikipedia website (not that I'm trying to imply that Mmbabies or anyone else would make that exact move, but rather that any of these dedicated vandals might get in rage and make similar moves; I have seen threats of such actions outside of Wikipedia which I have treated as you would: report, block, and ignore since there's no need to give them too much attention). GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 18:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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