Talk:Glenn Danzig

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• Archive of resolved discussions
• Archive of past discussions, 12 December 2005 - 18 August 2006

This talk page was archived by CQJ at 16:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC) to assist in resolving differences between editors. Please visit the archives if you'd like to see the discussion that was here before, which was essentially a series of Enzigel and G.g beating the snot out of each other using words. See the archive for anything that transpired before this time/date.

• Admin Alert - Check out the history of this Discussion page, namely the difference between 08:17 and 08:33 on the 18th August. Enzigel added in comments and attributed them to me to try to pin it on me. G.g. 18 August 2006
  • I didn't write the comment, It was unsigned and I presumed it was yours and you forgot to sign it, I checked history page again and found the real author. Don't waste your energy on such petty attempts for accusing me of faul play, and don't delete comments again...Enzigel 12:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CQJ's comments

Knock it off. Right now. I asked for a short explanation of the facts at hand, not this trundled out crap where you both basically fought back and forth for, oh, let's see...about four hours. So, it would appear that we're going to have to work the structured approach on this case since the loose, seat-of the pants style isn't going to work. You both need to visit the Mediation Cabal case page before I'll even lift another finger on this one and familiarize yourselves with Wikipedia policy. No more spamming my talk page, no more spamming this page, no more spamming the case page. This argument is going to effectively end right now before either of you two draw an administrator's attention here, and then there will be nothing that I can do to help either side of the issue except say "See, you should have followed my advice and kept it short, instead of starting another reversion war laden with personal attacks and incivility."

CQJ 15:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't tell who is doing what after the last edit series. So I've had the article protected to stop you and him from going back and forth. Now, as to the "his way or the highway thing", aren't you as guilty as he is? I don't find many people in violation of WP:3RR who aren't as guilty of edit warring as the next editor. By the way, telling other editors that they need help is a personal attack, directly against the spirit of WP:NPA, and this is your first and only warning in those regards. Don't let it happen again, please, because as the attacks continue to get worse, that increases your chances of ending up in Arbitration, which is a no-win situation to begin with. The article you pointed me to, G.g., on answers, is hardly NPOV or in line with our style. Nor are we a journalistic source - this is an encyclopedia. In addition, some of the edits you've contributed are as "fanzine" as some of the stuff that Enzigel's added. So let's knock that one off right now.

Other than that, I'm going to take the following action.

1. I'm summarily archiving this entire page. It's obvious to me that you've both turned it into a rant for your own POV or edit wars, and the rest of the community, myself included, can't follow it.
2. The page is protected, and I'm not contacting the protecting administrator to have it unlocked until you both show me that you're willing to play like big boys, and not like schoolyard children.
3. I don't recommend continuing in edit wars, incivility, or personal attacks. Those actions will land you where you don't want to go.
4. And I'm holding off doing anything else with this article until you both go to the MedCab case page and sign a gentleman's agreement to stop doing exactly what you've been doing. Call me strange, call me crazy, but there's no other mediator who will even consider touching this case with a ten foot pole if it's locked into an edit war and a textbook case of incivility, and if this action continues, you will be looking at the receiving end of administrator's enforcement action.

My justification for these actions is WP:BOLD and WP:IAR. CQJ 16:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] his suppose Satanic ways

I only know more of his early stuff and some of later music sound very anti christian. It is interesting to think he part italian and was raised protestant and not catholic. What are other thoughs on this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.146.14 (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

After reviewing the last set of contributions, I've had the article reviewed by an administrator and full-protected. That means that no one but an administrator may make changes to the article, and whatever version of the article that is protected is not endorsed. I'll have the protection maintained until we make some headway here or at the case page. CQJ 16:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The page has been edited to have the incorrect songs.

Could someone remove the various links in this article, where the word "Danzig" links to the article for Gdańsk, Poland? Biozombie (talk) 02:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What I See

Here's what I see in the current form of the Danzig article. I don't expect oral arguments, so Wikilawyering at this time isn't appropriate:

1. The citation tags seems to be a disruption along the lines of WP:POINT Is there a need for so much citation?
2. Some of the language in the article seems to be anecdotic rather than factual, yet this alone doesn't call for the citation tags. We need to work on this.
3. Fansites are out. They're WP:OR and fail WP:V.

Perhaps what I need to do is move this standing copy of the article over to my sandbox, crank on it for a few days, and then have you both look at it? CQJ 17:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think cites are needed at all. But I'm not sure if any of my edits will stay if i don't search source in a magazine. Hell, they don't stay even if I do find source. As for sandbox, I agree, hope you will consider objections I had in my last edit.Enzigel 18:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments by G.g.

• This article should remain locked and in the protection of Admin. Let them rewrite the article to meet Feature Article status so that it can never be tampered with again or collapse into revert wars. This isn't the first time this has happened and will happen again. G.g. 14:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

That's the nature of having an encyclopedia that "anyone can edit". If we full or semi-protected any article that had been in a repetitive edit war, at least 50% of the encyclopedia would be locked down, defeating the purpose it was intended for.

My goal is to work through the differences that are here, unlock the article, and move on to the next case as expediently as possible without any more administrator action taking place so it could be maintained to FA. More comments on the case page. CQJ 18:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

There is a sandbox copy of this article that I've cleaned up a bit. It's located here. There are some other ground rules that I'd like to establish on this sandbox version, and I'll copy/paste this to the case page so everyone involved sees it.

1. Make one edit at a time. Make your edit, include your rationale in the summary, and go to the case page if you can't explain it well enough so I and the other party can see what your thinking is. If you'd like to change more than one thing, please do so over a series of edits, not just in one edit. Each edit should have a corresponding summary.
2. Number all of your edits. Otherwise, we'll have to use diff numbers to refer to particular edits. What I recommend is like (G.g edit #1 - blah blah blah) or (CQJ edit #4 - blah blah blah).
3. Once the other guy has made an edit, don't revert it automatically. Go to the case page and propose your change to the edit or say "Hey, that looks good. Let's move on".

We'll move through the article like this, and once you guys agree on it, then we'll cut and paste it back into the Danzig article and have this taken care of in no time. Thanks for your time. CQJ 19:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resolved

Big thanks to Engizel and G.g. for their hard work on resolving their differences and taking the next step on cleaning up the article. The protecting administrator will be around shortly to unlock the page, and the compromise version of the content will be moved back here after that is accomplished. CQJ 14:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The compromise content is in place. Thanks to both parties for their hard work. CQJ 01:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

The official policy of Wikipedia is that "Biographies of living persons should not have trivia sections. Relevant notable sourced claims should be woven into the article. Trivia can go on the talk page as a staging ground. Eventualism is deprecated on BLP articles. please read WP:Biographies_of_living_persons The source code is still there, try to work some of the points into the article if they are notable, but how someone punched soemone else is hardly encylopedic

I am fully aware that there was an editor dispute regarding the information about Danzig's alleged incidents with Def Leppard and North Side Kings. I see what text came as a result of numerous editors, and I have to say, I did not like what I read. I have restored my preferred version of the information, but making it as non-POV as I possibly can. I have no POV on the matter, so I tried to reflect that in the text. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 00:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The current version: "sucker puch to the blindside of his face" is POV. Not only does it make no sense (the two individuals were facing each other...what blindside?) it does not show what the video shows. Danzig shoved the singer of North Side Kings and got hit in return. Write it as it happened.

I take some issue with the X-Men movie section. The ONLY info on this is out of GLENN'S MOUTH. Aside from his tendency to be a pompous egotist who will make stuff up, I have also seen NOTHING quoted from anyone related to the films to support his claims. All I have been able to find is that Bryan Singer wanted Hugh Jackman from the start(and I can't even find anything indicating they pulled a Jack Nicholson/Robin Williams with him to get Jackman to sign). THIS is why I take issue with it. And unless someone can dig up some info otherwise- a Singer, DeSanto or other interview I think it should be removed. If his claims can not be backed up by those involved with the film then he is an outright liar. Seriously, if Glenn just said he can shoot heat rays from his eyes without displaying the ability, would you take that as solid proof he could? No sane person would and I think the same applies here.206.162.192.39 00:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

featuring the north side kings on here and def leppard is dumb because the def lepperd thing danzig says is a lie and since this is his page why is def lepperd getting mentioned when it's not even true it's just a story what's the point of it being on here

the north side kings danzig confrontation has nothing to do with his accomplishments? why is it on here, this just seems like it's meant to give north side kings publicity, it's a video that's been edited, it begins in the middle of an argument, we can't see what happens first like the part where danzig is signing autographs for the fans, or how danzig put on a two hour set and being that danzig is over fifty years old this north side king guy isn't that confrontational attacking an old legend after he puts on a show. this video never made the news, online message boards and forums and columns though that's not really making the news that's just being talked about online, these controversies aren't relivent to danzig i'm going to erase them both

Bryan Singer, director of the first two X-Men movies, spoke to a number of actors about the role. He says Russell Crowe was too exhausted after playing a similar role in Gladiator; that the role didn't appeal to Edward Norton; and that Fox themselves ruled out Mel Gibson as being too expensive. In 1999, SFX magazine spoke to Keanu Reeves, who told the publication he didn't feel he was right for the role.

At one point in the 1990s, Glenn Danzig was approached to play Wolverine in Ad Hoc Committee archives.org X-Men film, because he bore an uncanny resemblance to the character, as well as being the same height as Wolverine, and very muscular. However, he had to decline, due to the fact that the shooting for the film would force him to put a halt to touring with his band for nine months.[67]

the northside kings incident and def leopard incident do not belong here because this is not the def leopard page or the north side kings page. this is an article about glenn danzig and his accomplishments. the def leopard incident does not belong here because it is not controversal or means anything or is it significant. the north side kings video is a publicity stunt done by the north side kings and their publicity stunts do not belong on a danzig article, save it for north side kings and def leopard articles. i'm removing them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.225.246 (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

How is Glenn Danzig's last name pronounced? Is it like the German pronunciation? Peter O. (Talk) 00:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• "dan" rhymes with "fan", "zig" pronounced like in "zig-zag" or "Ziggy." At least, as far as I've always heard it. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 00:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard it pronounced Dan (as in sounds like Darn) Zig (zigzag) Differs if you are american or not though. Wikiphreak 09:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How Danzig is supposed to sound...

I Think "Danzig" is supposed to sound like that city in Poland... That would be "Dahn-tsick", or so I figure... Michael 16:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Tell that to Glenn then. There shouldn't be any confusion here, the guy is pretty famous in punk and metal. It is pronounced Dan (like the name), and zig (like zig zag)

He did his own voice on an episode of Aqua Teen Hunger Force and referred to himself as "Dan-Zig".--Dmz5 04:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please lock this article

It seems that no matter how many times i correct vandalism, it becomes re-vandalized a short time after 68.77.42.10 06:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed vandalism 68.77.42.10 22:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Corrected more vandalism - this page needs a good once-over to remove all of it. Locking might not be a bad idea until then. Minvaren 21:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You can look it up on Frightmare's myspace page that they covered Danzig. It is a better band to note than "My Chemical Romance" Bold text----Jt Milos

[edit] On Danzig's main 1997 bio

On his website, it states that he has written a song for "Kenneth Hister".

Richard James Liberto

[edit] Any information on the child molestation allegations

I was told by an a few freinds that Danzig had been threatened with legal action regarding his penchant for girls that arent of legal age. This coincides with firsthand knowledge I have where a girl I went to school with admitted to having "relationships" with Danzig at the age of fourteen. I cant, however, find any information on the status of this case. Why isnt this in the article???

• • I seem to remeber that MTV reported that Glen was arrested in 2004 for some child porn on his computer. I don't remeber what became of it. This should be included if some sources can be found--The Emperor of Wikipedia 17:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name at birth?

According to last.fm, he was born Glenn Anzalone, can anyone confirm? If so, i believe that this would be an important addition to the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainoats84 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)