Talk:Glass art

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[edit] Masters

No one...especially not Cappy or Walter would clasify them as "masters". They are excellent artists--even outstanding but neither have standing in the studio glass community.

Whoever wrote the above sentence needs to find another subject: Walter Lieberman and Cappy Thompson are two of the most admired artists within the studio glass community. The problem with Lieberman is that no one outside of the studio glass community admires him or is interested in his work. "Masters" is a perfectly valid term, it just happens not to be the operative term that most people involved in the studio glass community use.Hurleydog3 15:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canada

I think we should extend the part of European glass art (italy and checz republic at least).. i think it is more important than north america and canada... Pierpaolo.Dondio

As a Canadian glass artist (born in Europe), I find that comment mildly offensive; But if you have more to add about Europe = please do.Bridesmill 21:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Most of the artists listed here had links to their names but those links (or pages did not exist). I deleted the links. Also, the long lists of names is interesting, but maybe it would be more interesting if there were some details provided about the artists (since they don't have their own wiki page). Any takers?


[edit] Content

Please do not turn this page into a linkspam page of every one who has ever made a stained glass apple. If you have less than a thousand ghits as a glass artist you probably don't belong here; if someone considers you to be enough of an artist to be in Wiki; then perhaps you belong on this page. WP:BAI WP:NOT are probably good reading . Ideally this page contains 'the best of the best' representative of glass artists around the world; In other words, a prerequisite to be on this page is probably that the artist already has an article on WP. That does not mean there Has to be 10 from each country. Short form: if the artist you are thinking of is competition for the likes of Dale Chihuly, put them in - if not, it might be an idea to seek consensus here on the talk page lest someone comes along and removes them as NN. That does not mean that I am being elitist - I get over 3,000 ghits and I haven't put myself on this page.Bridesmill 21:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lipofsky

Restored his name under U.S. He's had a 40-year career, is widely exhibited, is a reasonably important figure in the studio glass movement, and is a very well-known artist. Will be working on his article in the coming days. Shimeru 07:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Merge, Glass art/Art glass

Put me right if I'm wrong. I would tend to go with the definition given at the page Art glass and the name Art glass. I think thhat the two articles should be merged under that heading, not under Glass art

Reason- Every person who has done a tech course in copper foil believes that they are creating Glass art.

There needs to be a concensus also about who links to this page. Your average lead-lighter is right out. I agree that its the Dale Chi-whatsits that ought to be represented here.

--Amandajm 00:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Also- I would not feel happy about excluding Marvin Lipofsky --Amandajm 00:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Art glass is in better condition at the moment. The historical notes here could stand to be merged there. I think the list of artists will be hard to manage either way, though; once the redirect is in place, the people who add themselves here will do the same there. That page is also missing a few reasonably prominent artists like Christopher Ries, and somehow overlooks Harvey Littleton, a giant in the field. I suspect a fair amount of research regarding the listed artists would need to be done to determine who to include. Then again, the best bet might be not to have a list at all, but include the more prominent names among the text of the article, with citations to back up their contributions. Shimeru 19:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge, Glass art/Art glass

I feel the first paragraph of Glass Art reads more like "Glass in Art" stating a number of uses how glass has been used in combination with other materials to form objects. Often the glass is the decorative component of the object (ie. in glass beads in a bracelet, stained glass with lead in a window, crystal with metal in a chandelier etc)

My understanding of the term Art Glass was that it referred to both the glass itself and objects almost solely made of glass which are decorative/challenging/inspiring and perhaps of no other use than to be looked at (often vases, ornanments, paperweights).

In my understanding the likes of Tiffany would fall under both categories as he not only experimented with producing different types of glass (art glass) but mostly used them in other things ("glass in art" - lamps, windows, theatre curtains)

I find the reference to the use of Art Glass in cannabis pipes to be close to a joke.

My understanding of Art Glass is that it refers to the type of glass, not to the art of glasswork.

[edit] Merge Glass art Art glass

While it should be noted that I have no formal training in this discipline, it is my understanding that these two terms are interchangeable. I would be amenable to having the articles merged under either title with the remaining term redirected. SteinAlive 12:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content

Is this an article talking about the glass art or just a yellow page for glass artists? I suggest to remove all the country-specific glass artists. It's not what Wikipedia for. — Indon (reply) — 01:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Naming the artists who create the Glass art is a perfectly normal thing in an encyclopaedia. But, the observation that Wikipedia is not a Yellow page is correct. All links in the article itself should be removed immediately. If we don't stop it now, more are coming.--GerardusS (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
If the artist doesn't have a page, they should be removed. Better yet, we should move to whole mess of glass artist lists to a new page, List of glass artists. Clubmarx (talk) 02:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
First part : no!! (If that is your task, you have more pages to do a clean-up). Second part: yes, and you did so already without real consent. You see the result!!--GerardusS (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Here is a list of glass artists from the article glass which requires incorporation into this article. They have no place in glass but could be used here.

While earlier modern glass masters such as Rene Lalique, Louis Comfort Tiffany, Emile Gallee, Carlo Scarpa and Paul Venini were sought after for important glass collections, the scale and ambition of glass art scaled new heights. Some important contemporary glass artists in glass include Dale Chihuly, Lino Tagliapietra, William Morris, Martin Blank, Stanislaw Libensky, Bertil Vallien, Willem Heesen, Livio Seguso, Harvey Littleton, Dante Marioni, Dan Dailey, Sonja Blomdahl, Tom Patti, Stephen Rolfe Powell, Richard Marquis, Therman Statom, Hiroshi Yamano, Ann Robinson, Paul Marioni, Nancy Callan to name just a few.

Jdrewitt (talk) 11:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colors

No, No, No. Glass , Colors, Ovens and tools. Glass artists cannot create without them. Yes essential. Look at Dale Chihuly work and you know it's right. But so what. In an article about art and artforms you just does not talk about these subjects. The list is highly interesting, but not here, on this place. Put it back where it came from. Give in the article a SUPERLINK to that place and let's concentrate on art!! Sorry for spoiling the party. Cheers--GerardusS (talk) 08:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The content is NOT appropriate where it came from, possibly glass production would be better but it was decided after mutual discussions that for now colors are more appropriate in glass art than any other subject since that is where they are used most. Your comments about how important colors are in art don't back up you arguements at all abut instead support the view that the colors section most certainly belongs in this article Jdrewitt (talk) 11:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jdrewitt, that was highly ironically ment. Can you find in the article about painting one word about the kind of/color of the paint. You must do what was mutually discussed, but I don't agree. But what with the glasssculptors not using color at all? Cheerio--GerardusS (talk) 11:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I have created the page glass production and moved the colors section there since it is rather technical. I do however think that color (or lack of it) is extremely important in art and should be discussed in an art article, as an artist's tool. Jdrewitt (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

By removing the gallery to the bottom of the page you suddenly showed me the miserable images in it. Cannot we find better ones ( in Wikimedia Commons Category:Glass art for instance).--GerardusS (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)