Talk:Girl group

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In fact, the all-girl band with the power manager-producer goes back further (yes, I'm a personal friend of the author, but this is an unsolicited endorsement!): Sherrie Tucker, Swing Shift: "All-Girl" Bands of the 1940s (ISBN: 0822324857). --MichaelTinkler

Indeed, and no-one who's seen Some Like It Hot can forget "Sweet Sue and her Society Syncopaters".

I just don't think of groups like that in the heading of "Girl Bands". The musicians written about in "Swing Shift" were exactly that: musicians. I mean, all the members of Led Zeppelin were male, but it didn't make them a boy band :) I suppose you could argue that people like The Andrews Sisters were the spiritual heirs of the Spice Girls, though.

Not all members of girl bands are talentless bimbos - some of them *can* actually sing and dance rather well and would probably feel quite comfortable in , say, a Broadway production or make a career singing backing for other acts. However, the girl bands from the 1940's were from an era when professional songwriters, arrangers, band leaders, and record producers applied the same production-line approach to virtually all popular music. The distinction only really arose with the arrival of rock and roll and the tradition of the singer-songwriters, IMHO. However, if you do have information about the 40's girl groups, I can't see any reason not to add it here. --Robert Merkel
Oh, absolutely. And I wasn't trying to suggest you shouldn't; I was just explaining why I hadn't. -- GWOYO IM COOL SO GET IT GOT IT GO...YO YO YO YO YO YO!!!!! I LIKE TO BE IN MY OWN NOT IN UR WAY CUZ IM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAM COOL

Most of the 60s groups were highly talented. Most of the lead singers had pipes on them reminiscent of Bessie Smith, and they knew how to use them. On another note, I don't think the wall of sound typifies girl groups, so I'm going to try to modify that section. Trontonian

Does this title mean to include 'all women groups'? Then we would also be including The Slits, The Runaways, The Shaggs, Feminist Improvising Group, Fanny and others.... quercus robur 00:40 Feb 5, 2003 (UTC)

Why is this here instead of girl group, which is far more common, I think. It wins on google by about 20,000 hits. Tokerboy

Why is this article listed under soul music? There are lots of girl groups that are not soul music performers. RickK | Talk 06:11, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Because there are two different meanings to the term girl group. It can mean any all-female pop band, but is also used very specifically to refer to a kind of early 60s girl groups (e.g. The Angels, The Shangri-las). These girl groups were soul.
On a google search using quotes around "girl group", the top ten results include
  • Two totally unrelated
  • 5 appear to be specifically about early 60s groups
  • One more generally applying to any female pop band (usually rock, I think)
  • One is about both (this very Wikipedia article)
  • One is a list of cds, some of which are totally unrelated male singers, others fall in between the two uses

Tuf-Kat 06:39, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Terminology (Girl group vs. Girl band)

What is the difference between a girl group and a girl band?? (This question was brought to my mind when I saw Zanimum's recent edit to Crystal (disambiguation). 66.32.247.47 23:36, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

See Template talk:Popmusic#Girl group. Brianjd 07:30, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

[edit] Name of that band in Kill Bill: Volume I?

Yeah, I know'rit's a japanese band consistin' only of chicks in Kill Bill 1, but, hey...What's their EXACT name? I'm unsure, so I betted a wild-card at 5-6-7-8's. Anyone more..."renemberable", than me? With better memory, i.e.?--OleMurder 23:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Things to Do

the article is kind of a mess. Things that would help:

A discussion of the relationship between girl groups and the Philly Soul sound of the 70s.

A streamlining of the discussion of 80s and 90s girl groups, and an effort to put it in some kind of context. Just listing groups that happened to be girl groups is not a helpful way to organize the article.

I'll try to get to these some day, but it'll take a while. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NoahB (talk • contribs) 15:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree about this article. It is a mess and has no citations for sources. What is the meaning of the Top Girl Groups section? It has random percentages of impact with no meaning behind the percentages or a source for these percentages. There are also weasel words in the final section that need to be corrected. TVguy85 09:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I wrote most of the final section; I reread it, and am not sure what weasel words you are talking about. Specifics would help. Could you provide some? Or better yet, make changes yourself?NoahB 02:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, in the absence of any clear explanation of why the neutrality is disputed, I am going to remove the tag. Please don't put it back unless you are able to explain exactly what your objections are. (Personally, I think there are problems with the article, but I don't agree that neutrality is one of them; but I am of course open to discussion on the matter.) NoahB 15:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Term "Girl Groups"

The person(s) who wrote this article are obviously very young, and did not do their homework, either.

The term "girl groups" is used to describe the girl groups of the early to mid-1960s, such as The Shirelles, The Chiffons, Martha and The Vandellas, The Supremes, The Jaynetts, The Marvelettes, The Shangri-Las, The Orlons, The Angels, The Crystals, The Ronettes, The Murmaids, The Toys, The Dixie Cups and others. Some of these groups have been described in the article in brief, but they deserve MUCH more mention. Most of the article devotes itself to the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. This article is completely wrong, in other words, and is misleading to anyone who is reading it.

We are not talking about groups in the '40s, '50s, '70s, '80s, '90s, or after. The "Girl Group Era" is over, and it took place in the early to mid-1960s. Slater79 00:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The girl group era was indeed in the 60s; however, the term is often used to refer to later groups who work in a similar vein -- TLC and Destiny's Child are both often referred to as girl groups, for example (and for obvious reasons.) If you'd like to add more info about earlier groups, that would be super, though. NoahB 13:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real Sales of Best-Selling Female Groups

TLC
Ooooooohhh.... On the TLC Tip: 6 million
CrazySexyCool: 15 million http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/01/10050737.html
FanMail: 10 million
3D: 2 million
Now and Forever, The Hits: 1 million
Singles: 11 million
Total: 45 Million

Destiny's Child
Destiny's Child: 2 million copies
The Writing's on the Wall: 13 million http://www.ticketnest.com/concert-tickets/Beyonce/index.php
Survivor: 10 million
8 Days of Christmas: 1 million
This Is The Remix: 500,000 copies
Destiny Fulfilled: 6 million
#1's: 3.5 million
Singles: 16 million
Total: 100 million???? impossible..

Spice Girls
Spice: 23 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251176.stm
Spiceworld: 11 million
Forever: 3 million
Singles: 18.2 million
Greatest Hits (not included in the total): 1.7 million
Total: 55 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6246448.stm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.236.62 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Best-Selling Groups??

It doesn't seem right.

Destiny's Child:
Destiny's Child: 2 million copies worldwide
The Writing's on the Wall: 13 million worldwide
Survivor: 10 million copies worldwide
8 Days of Christmas: 500,000 copies
This Is The Remix: 500,000 copies
Destiny Fulfilled: 7 million copies worldwide
#1's: 3 million copies worldwide
36 million

Spice Girls:
Spice: 23 million worldwide
Spiceworld: 15 million worldwide
Forever: 1.4 million worldwide
39.4 million

How does DC3 have 100 million? That is a hoax!!! I think solo sales SHOULD NOT count (cough*Beyonce*cough).


Seriously Destiny's Child have NOT sold 100 million thats just crap. Spice Girls are the biggest selling female group. Not to mention the fact that they did it with less albums...

74.95.5.130 21:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

At the 2000 Brit awards, it stated that Spice Girls had sold 35.2 million albums. Therefore 39m is clearly inflated. As for the Destiny's Child 100 million, again, not possible. Music World Entertainment (their label) is reported to have sales of 100 million [1] which is inclusive of Destiny's Child. Their 2007 report also specified that Destiny's Child was their biggest group wth sales of 60 million. Hence the reference was changed to this. Overall, from the current verifiable references, Spice Girls are not the biggest selling girl group. So please stop fictionalising the sales figures and go as per references. Maggott2000 03:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The Brits were in 2000. The information is not very up to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.233.72.140 (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

^^^ Destiny Child hasn't sold over 60 million records..Its funny, in 2005 when the group performs survivor (You can look at the videos on Youtube). You can see when beyonce says "sold over ten million." She says over 50 million and in 2004. Its over 40 million..Clearly, there sales dont add up to 60 million records because they only sold 20 million singles and 34 million albums —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.95.253 (talk) 04:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DESTINY'S CHILD NO.1

FIRST of all Destiny's Child has sold over 100 million records and when you are talking about sale they are not only talking about album sales that also is single sales you can go to KellyRowlandonline.com and it will be in front of your face and that web site that was made by Columbia Records and think they would know how many they sold and on top of that the World yes the World Music Awards would've not gave them award for being the The BEST SELLING FEMALE GROUP OF ALL TIME and that award show is base on records sales and for the record The Spice Girls FIRST album did not sale 23 million because the biggest selling album by a female group is TLC's Crazy,Sexy,Cool that sold 15 million copies worldwide and next in line is Destiny's Child album The Writing's on the wall which sold over 11 million worldwide. Spice girls last album did not even sale thats why they broke up hello there time was done.....i understand that you'll like the spice girls,but Destiny's Child are No.1 i mean every time one of them come on and t.v show they say she is 1/3of the bestselling female group of all time no matter if its Kelly,Michelle,or Beyonc'e I mean it was on VH1 when they did the girl group thing when the Dreamgirls movie was coming out they said it then the biggest selling female group Destiny's Child, and one more thing Destiny's Child left on top something NO GROUP HAS DONE!!!!!!!

Edit: They say that Nana Moskouri has sold over 300 million! HOAX!! So don't listen to Colombia, Universal etc. They make hoax everytime, and TV show say the same stupid things. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.10.238.39 (talk) 14:15:27, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Edit: The Spice Girls FIRST album if sold 23 million copies and is the best-selling albums in history by a female group http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251176.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.236.62 (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sales

First of all, when you talk about sales, you don't count singles, or you say "total" with "X" single sales. Somebody has erased the details so I'll give you a link to see that they didn't sold 100 million. 100 million = More than David Bowie, Prince, the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Sting, Bob Marley, Genesis, Dyla, Mc Cartney etc come on! It's a hoax made by Columbia! Here you are, click on The spice girls and watch carefully, then on Destiny's child :

http://www.chartsinfrance.net/communaute/index.php?s=49309e465b998e634969362f20ceb1b6&showtopic=6523&st=0&start=0

Read and search for information before doing the fanboy/girl.

This can be done two ways, both being correct. The media reports the artist has sold xxx records, this is generally inclusive of albums and singles. Or they will report xxx albums, and xxx singles. So when talking sales, you 'can' be talking combined albums and singles Maggott2000 03:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Runaways

If the Bangles and the Go Go's are listed, why not The Runaways as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheilamarie (talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

This article seems to be claiming that "girl bands" play instruments and "girl groups" don't, but a moment's research with Google will show you that the term "girl band" is extremely widely used for vocal groups (Spice Girls, Girls Aloud etc. etc.); c.f. Boy band. Where did this idea come from? 86.134.53.136 (talk) 02:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC).