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[edit] Discovery and Species

This section says,

"The largest Giganotosaurus is estimated to be 13.7 m (45 ft) long, and weighed 5.2 tons. The specimen's skull was the size of a bathtub, measuring 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in). Giganotosaurus surpasses Tyrannosaurus rex in length by almost 2 m."

However wikipedia's entry for Tyrannosaurus has t rex

..measuring over 13 metres (43 feet) in length

One of the two entries must be in error, since it can't be that Giganotosaurus "surpases t rex by almost 2meters" since the largest g. is 13.7 the only thing it surpases by almost 2 meters would be something 11.7 meters...yet wikipedia says t rex is nto 11.7 but 13 meters. It even says the 13.7 is "the largest" giganotosaurus...so something needs to be clearned up and clarified here...hopefully someone with the facts and references at their fingertipcs can do this.. --Harel 04:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carnosaur

Made a small but significant change- Giganotosaurus was not very closely related to T. Rex- it was a carnosaur, wheras T. Rex was a giant coelurosaur. The relationship is similar to that of polar bears and tigers.

Polar bears and tigers are in different suborders. They are as related between each other the same as Giganotosaurus and Argentinosaurus.Eriorguez 11:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brain Size

I'm not sure of the source for the "brain of Giganotosaurus was the size of a banana," but this seems like a poor description. A banana is long and relatively thin - unless the brain is shaped like a banana then this size comparison is confusing. I won't edit the page because I don't know whether to replace banana with "golf ball" or "American football" - two items that might compare with the diameter or length of a banana.

As it happened, the brain was shaped like a banana. I think you reacted a bit "mammalocentric" ;o).--MWAK 12:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Is spinosaurus relly bigger than giganotosaurus?

Yes, much bigger. The lowest reasonable estimate is about 17 m in length and this hasn't taken into account some yet to be properly studied specimens that seem to indicate a low estimate of at least twenty metres. The high estimate would be thirty :o).--MWAK 08:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

If T-Rex weighed more giganotosaurus, and if giganotosaurus was longer than T-Rex, who is bigger?

Most of the official stuff like scientific articles seem to use length as the yardstick for overall size, so Giganotosaurus is technically larger. Maybe MWAK or Dinoguy, who know a lot more about this sort of thing than I do, can further elaborate on that. SMegatron

Depends on what you mean by big. In modern animals, most people go by weight. The blue whale is the biggest animal ever, even though some dinosaurs were longer, because it is the heaviest. The "biggest" land animal is usually given as the african elephant. Obviously the Anaconda is longer, and the Giraffe is taller, but when most people think of sheer size, they think of bulk, which roughly corresponds to weight. If some one asked me what the "biggest" theropod was, I'd say Spinosaurus, with T. rex in second place, and Giganotosaurus in 3rd (though Therizinosaurus were probably bigger than Giga, too).Dinoguy2 15:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't Giganotosaurus once considerd to be 8 tons in weight? In many books I read it says that Giganotosaurus is around 8 tons in weight. When did it get changed to 5.2 tons in weight?

Best reason I can think of is that they overestimated the weight of the dino when it was first discovered, possibly as a result of comparisons with other large theropods. As Dinoguy has pointed out, Giganotosaurus and other Carcharodontosaurids were actually quite lightly built compared to, say, Tyrannosaurus. User SMegatron

You should see the relation size/weight--190.22.7.14 01:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dino crisis 2

Am I correct? Is the Giganto's size too exaggerated?Triple-Quadruple 14:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Massively. The game places it at 21 meters in length, 8 meters tall and probably 20 tons in weight. That's 7 meters longer, 3 meters taller and around 15 tons heavier than the largest Giganotosaurus yet discovered. In the game it's throwing the T-Rex around like a chew-toy, when in reality they were around the same size. In fact, T-Rex has been estimated to be heavier, even though it was shorter. SMegatron 09:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Dino Crisis 2, why is the DC2 section on Giganotosaurus continually being removed? --SMegatron 13:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Good question. While adding every little appearance may be pretty useless, it's just as or less useless than the other pop culture trivia listed.Dinoguy2 15:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

We need to try to find some sort of settlement for such editorial 'ping-pong', please, so that the article can start to stabilise. - Ballista 16:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems my watchlist is full of Giganotosaurus, these days, with the DC2 text gone, back, gone, back etc. and now gone again. What's going on? - this is worse than watching Wimbledon. - Ballista 04:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, I think this needs a democratic Vote', to settle things once and for all. I expect to see all the above writers and reverters voting below.Cas Liber 06:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


Support Dinocrisis 2 reference staying?

  1. Cas Liber 06:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC) (I feel there won't be many for Giganotosaurus, so it is interesting when pop. cult. uses an unusual dino)
  2. Ballista 08:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Here am I - I don't really like any of the 'popular culture' stuff but, if one's in, all should be in, if accurately reported.
  3. SMegatron 12:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Agree with Ballista, as I feel that we shouldn't leave anything out if it is properly done.
  4. Dinoguy2 16:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  5. (late vote, sorry)--Firsfron of Ronchester 06:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Object to dinocrisis 2


Right then, I guess that settles it? Cas Liber 03:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I reckon it does - now all we have to do is hope that it sticks! - Ballista 04:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If we could get the idiot who keeps reverting it to at least say why he's doing it on here that would be a great help. After all, a vote to kkep it isn't going to mean anything if he keeps rving it and we have to change it back (as I notice Spinosaur had to do again).--SMegatron 09:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Cas left a message for user 142 on his/her talk page. Hopefully, that will end the dispute quickly.--Firsfron of Ronchester 10:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I know. I don't get it. I mean a Creation/Evolution debate I could understand but getting worked up over a Playstation game? If it happens again I recommend asking for a semi-protection.Cas Liber 10:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the Evolution/Creationism debate at all. Christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive, and I just don't understand why people keep wanting to add "and they didn't evolve!" to Wikipedia articles, like that will somehow make them right. :/--Firsfron of Ronchester 06:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Also, if we could possibly do the same on the DC2 page itself, as I notice the same user deleting the Giganotosaurus bit there too. --SMegatron 10:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If the group decides a semi-protect is needed, I can do it.--Firsfron of Ronchester 06:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
May be a plan, in view of the frequency of 'raids'. I also fail to understand the problems. Such extremism does nothing for religion and nothing for those who feel such things. Why can people not feel their way through the grey areas of life (which, in reality, is all there are), instead of trying to force everything into 'black & white'? Buckland & Steno, to name just two, appeared to be able to reconcile religious feeling with scientific enquiry. So do the folk in church of San Lorenzo in Florence, who have put up a plaque, recognising Steno's great scientific contributions. He was a great scientist and canonised. - Ballista 08:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Firsfron if you could stick a semi-protect on both pages that'd be great, as it means any registered user can still edit anyway. Cas Liber 09:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I cannot do so just yet, per sprotect policy. You've left a message for the user, and, as far as I can tell, this is the only time the user has been directly contacted about removing the text. Assuming good faith, s/he will not remove the text again. Semi-protection is only used as a last resort, and we haven't heard back yet from this user, who may not even be aware of WikiPolicy. Plus, you have asked this user to come here and vote on the talk page. Even though the text has been removed multiple times, the user has never actually been contacted about it. Let's give this user a chance and see what happens. --Firsfron of Ronchester 10:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, hopefully it'll subside. --(substitute some diagram for fingers crossed here) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casliber (talk • contribs) .

Fair enough. Perhaps I overreacted a bit: it's just that it's getting a little annoying reverting this constantly. I mean, all right the DC2 bit may be slightly irrelevant, but it's not for me to judge whether it should be removed. --SMegatron 19:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we move all of the Dino Crisis 2 and 3 Facts about this Dinosaur to this wikia about the games

[edit] Spinosaurus

The article says Giganotosaurus is smaller than Spinosurus, but isn't Giganotosaurus the biggest carnivorous dinosaur? Dora Nichov 03:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Afraid not. It was for a while, but new estimates place Giganotosaurus at 46 ft and around 5-6 tons, while the Del Sasso estimate featured heavily on the Spinosaurus page page puts Spino at 52ft - 60ft and 9 tons in weight. Hope that helps.SMegatron 18:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I always heard that giganotosaurus was the biggest too. I have a book that says it is. it was written a year ago. Where did you see that spinosaurus was bigger?They found some bone late last year that proves that spinosaurs was bigger than giganotosaurs. Despite this Gig was probley smarter than spino because they found bones that shows that they lived in packs.
The estimates come from the primary sources: in this case, paleontological papers. These are referenced in the text. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes--while dinosaur books may sometimes be pretty good on general facts and concepts, keep in mind that even if it was published last year, it was probably not finished until a year before that and was in development for several years, during which time the author may or may not have updated their facts. Actually this might not have made a differnece--Spinosaurus was recognized as being larger than T. rex going back as far as the early 1900s, and was simply ignored in the media since, while new discoveries like Giganotosaurus have gotten big press by people who, inexplicably, continued to ignore the existance of Spinosaurus until the new skull was described last year (probably because the actual bones were lost in WWII). It's a situation similar to Amphicoelias, actually. Every new gigantic sauropod that's been found since Supersaurus or even Brachiosaurus has been hailed as "the new biggest dinosaur", when a dinosaur that was larger than all that have been found before or since by an order of magnitude was ignored due to the fact that the evidence was lost, though the descriptions survived. Dinoguy2 05:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... that's pretty funny, the part where you say whenever we find something new we call it biggest. Dora Nichov 08:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dino Crisis 3

Does anyone know of an official link to a Dino Crisis 3 site? Im trying to find an official list of enemies or walkthrough that says Gig is the final boss, cos I definitly remember there being something in the game that said the big two-headed/three-headed thing at the end was made from Gig DNA. The only site I can find is IGN and Im reluctant to use that as a valid source. I think it would be at least semi-relevant as we've alreadyput in the DC2 stuff. SMegatron 11:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Theres the official site here but it doesn't say anything about dinosaurs. The best is this Wikia >over here< OsirisV

[edit] Genus?

How come we don't just down-grade Giganotosaurus to a Species??? this would make more sence as Giganotosaurus carolinii is rather a sub-species than a species (for one reaso, it has a double name)

No... sub species have three names, like Gorilla gorilla gorilla. A species has two (the binomial), like Gorilla gorilla. This page is talking about all species within the genus Giganotosaurus (which is why the single name is the aticle title), and currently there is only one species, G. carolinii. That way, if they ever name more species, they can be included on this page rather than make new pages for them. This is useful because most people only know dinosaurs by the first parts of their name, with a few exceptions like Tyrannosaurus rex. Dinoguy2 22:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protected

I've been bold and semi-protected this article, as well as Spinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus. I'm tired of seeing the already well-sourced size numbers for these animals changing on a daily basis, and I know that first thing in the morning, some IP is going to change the information without changing the reference. I understand that fanboy-types want their favorite to be the largest, meanest, baddest ones, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is ridiculous to add a few feet in length just to make your favorite the largest. Since the disruption is limited almost entirely to IPs, semi-protection should work fine. Firsfron of Ronchester 21:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should it be of similar size or larger?

Should it state that Giganotosaurus is larger than T-Rex when they have the same hip height? With Giga only being longer than T-Rex however T-Rex was more robust than Giga. What do ya'll think? Mcelite (talk) 20:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)mcelite

Size among dinosaurs is almost universally measured by length, not height. Gig's skull is also much longer than that of T. rex (1.5 vs. 1.8 m). All published accounts seem to recognize gig as larger. Also, which cite says rex was "more robust", and what does that mean exactly? Dinoguy2 (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm gonna have to look but I watched it on T.V. (when they were comparing steve to the 1st giga found) and read it in a book that t-rex was more robust just meaning that it was more heavily built or more muscular than Giga. It's that a little misleading though? Diplodocus is longer than Brachiosaurus but it's not larger or heavier than Brachiosaurus. Yeah I can't argue about it's skull length it does have a big head. Which is kinda funny considering T-Rex has the largest tooth size than any other carnivore.Mcelite (talk) 23:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)mcelite

[edit] Bite Force

I find the bite force of Giganotosaurus an interesting subject however I have been unable to find any information for this article. Has anyone seen a website with this info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diesel 10 (talk • contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge no studies on Gig bite force have been done. Bite force studies have usually focused on well-known genera like Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus. Dinoguy2 (talk) 01:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)