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Duke TIP About Talent Search has a list of the states covered by Center for Talent Development, Center for Talented Youth, Rocky Mountain Talent Search, and Talent Identification Program. --Christopherlin 07:31, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
This article's introductory passage focuses primary about gifted education in the United States. We need someone who knows about how gifted education works internationally as well (this involves specifying AP as only in the US and Canada and some international schools, for example). However, I am so Americanized. Simfish 04:42, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Not only is this Americanised it seems to be quite POV. Some educationalists believe that there are advantages to keeping gifted children in mainstream education without exceptional treatment, others disagree with aspects of the "gifted" phenomenon (how to identify a gifted child, whether class-bias will occur, etc). See Grammar schools in the United Kingdom for a cursory introduction to some of the problems when Britain had two entirely seperate school systems for the gifted and non-gifted. --VivaEmilyDavies 13:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've made a small start by moving some material that was US-specific to the section on that country and editing the first paragraph to make it more universal. I may add some material in other entries that I will link if I get the time. --Autarch 15:17, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I've started a small page on Mara Sapon-Shevin and provided links to and from it. I've added a section on criticism of gifted education, but just put the link to the new page in it. I'll expand both the new page and the new section over the next few weeks. (I've to look up references to critics of Sapon-Shevin for one thing.) --Autarch 15:53, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Looking at this page, it seems to be both just a page of links and quite POV. I'm not sure if all the links are relevant - the fictional example seems as out of place as a link to Biggles in a discussion of the history of World War II. One other thing - am I really the only contributor who has looked at this page recently? I'd have thought that such a controversial topic would have the opposite effect. --Autarch 19:51, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the work on it lately, Autarch. I have this article on my watchlist because I'm interested in gifted education, as I was in a fairly substandard "Gifted and Talented" program myself as a child, and now have a couple of early-achiever children who may end up in our local program (if it's better than the one I was in) -- but I don't know much about the field as a whole. I think most previous contributors to this article have been in the same boat. Tackling these large overview articles is daunting for many, so they just add a link to the one school they know. I do appreciate seeing more work on it, and I'll be happy to keep an eye on your progression and help out where I can. — Catherine\talk 01:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Thanks for your comments, Catherine, they are much appreciated. One thing that occurred to me is to have a separate page for the huge list of wikilinks to programmes - it's such a large list it's becoming unwieldy. That or maybe make it a subsection of its' own. I have to admit that I'm not as positive about gifted education as I used to be - maybe it's just some forms of it that put me off - however, I'll try and make my contributions as balanced as possible. User:Autarch 14:57, 29th November 2005 (UTC)
I think the reason that no one has edited this page is that it is so obviously a "bash the gifted" page that there is no point in trying to fix it. Far better to direct people to Hoagies where there are a lot of articles and resources with some content. 63.249.114.7 07:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Split by Autarch
I don't really see the reason to split off the list into a separate article. Besides, per naming conventions, "List of..." is often preferred. Programs vs. programmes I don't know. I've changed the wording to bring it more in line with WP:MOS. --Christopherlin 21:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- An earlier contributer made the point to me that it made the article clumsier to read - I suppose it's a matter of aesthetics. I'm fine with the changing of wording - I'm just used to a particular spelling - if the guidelines suggest it, I'm quite happy with it. Autarch 21:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't know. Categories were designed to reduce the need for manually-updated "list of" articles. I personally think the list should be in the main article, instead of split off. --Christopherlin 22:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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- OK, the list is back in the original article - I put it near the end. Autarch 19:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Odd Wording
The application of TPD to gifted education is one of several (other applications include psychotherapy, personality theory, philosophy of Man, etc.).
It really feels like this could be phrased better; any thoughts?RyanGrant 18:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleaning up the article
I kinda stumbled upon this article after being on Wikipedia for a while. I had to take a break from education. But it looks like there are some places that would help it improve:
- making all the citations and references consistent- some are APA references, and some are footnoted references
- using multiple resources (right now there seems to be a lot of information by Susan K. Johnsen to the point I had to wonder if she wrote a part of this article)
- providing multiple definitions of giftedness, including Joseph Renzulli's state of gitedness
- expanding the programs section to the point that affective education, enrichment, and pull-out should probably have their own pages, each discussing the benefits and disadvantages of each.
- a more thorough discussion on the history of gifted education and GT studies, including the Sputnik revolution on education, the US Dept of Ed's adoption of a definition, and the various journals that study gifted ed.
[edit] We are really neglected
Wikipedia is not a chat board. Please do not post personal experiences on this page.
I am a student (going to 8th grade as of Sep. 4, 2007; from this point on please take my comment seriously, not as one that an over-confident student made up) who finds regular school-work easy, additionally my grades do show my performance, and with my recent experience with a Gifted and Talented program at NJCU during the summer, named Preyecto(may be an incorrect spelling), I still feel as I was not challenged enough and was able to complete the program with incredible ease. However, some people were often yelled at in the program in a manner that made it uncomfortable for the unbelievably few of us that actually took this as a serious academic program. In addition to that, the program often felt like a morale lesson, about how we came here to learn. As I am limited on time, I will conclude my comment by saying that Gifted and Talented programs are horribly neglected, I understand the "No Child Left Behind" act, but it also comes with "No Child Left Forward" act. [an additional thought: the logo on ed.gov for the act looks like it was created by a 3-year old (seriously), who had access to the Microsoft Paint program]
- For all of those annoyed by my formal language: I only did it to make my comment more credible.
68.197.81.196 03:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree there are many difficulties for gifted students -- though I couldn't quite follow what you were saying. If you can find the time, could you expand, please? Kalai Eljahn 23:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, my general point is that there is little or none personalized education and that the non-gifted students are sometimes mixed in to make the program look more successful. As I was in the program, there were several kids who were average, no offense to them, and many of which misbehaved [you should please note that my close peers would describe it this way and know it in their minds with hesitation caused by the hurdles of regular school life (peer pressure, however it is a self-inflicted type; by self-inflicted I mean that some of us think like "They did not do anything to us so we don't need to do anything with them.")]. Side notes: Contrary to possible popular belief, it was easy to become popular, without committing some of the genuinely immature acts that other teenagers/adolescents preform. However, there was also an initial rejection phase before we became "socially acceptable" to the regular school kids in our Gifted and Talented school (the one I currently study in;I do apologize for leaving this out as it is crucial to know that my standards for school are very high, and that my current school does not meet my expectations, in order to fully comprehend my complex opinion.). -- I am also very glad that I am attending my current school, because I had never known (until last month) about the poor standards of other schools, I was completely dumbfounded to find out.
- If anyone has any other questions or comments please send me an email to dextrone-=gmail.com please substitute -= for @ before emailing me (anti-spam measure).
I am also aware that my post probably answered some questions and due to my strong opinion, created some questions. Regardless, I am tired from a short 1 1/2 day trip and therefore cannot properly reply.
- I would like any suggestions for gifted and talented programs in the Jersey City area of New Jersey, and additionally, am seeking help to make arrangements for obtaining a better education. I would also appreciate if this message was spread out, so that action can be taken against this issue (I have almost no means of making my opinion recognized so that it would make an impact on the current situation).
- Slightly off topic: I feel weird in my current position, unable to find better education, trying to reach my high standards ,but I cannot find any solution.
- Anyway, I am still a human and also do have many personal desires (places to go, things to do). However, my desires are not orthodox (e.x. I want to go to Japan, have a hands on experience learning, and achieving my desires in harmony with my regular life, not go to high-decibel concerts, have a girlfriend, or any other such things; several of my close friends who achieve grades similar to mine and think like me also have a similar opinion), and therefore am unable to achieve most of my non-materialistic desires in a timely fashion. It is not necessary for me to experience those things, but I feel left out, my parents are considerably wealthy but not so wealthy (my dad's a semi-old doctor) to make possible even my smallest non-materialistic desires (experiencing a challenging school that I would like). It'd be nice to experience some of these early in my life (like going to Japan, having a nice city environment to live and grow up in[I think however this is not really possible in the USA], and collaborating with my peers in a way that is not influenced by modern society and its flaws). --I just put this part as part of what many of us are missing out on.
68.197.81.196 00:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, IMO that about sums up the state of American G&T education. As a former bright kid myself, I'm sympathetic. I believe things have improved -- my friends tell me that teachers finally got the message about how much we hate them assigning groups so that there was one bright kid and one failing student in each group -- but there's still a long ways to go.
- But this is Wikipedia, not a chat room, and these discussion pages are intended solely for discussions on how to change the existing encyclopedia entry to more accurately describe the mess that's out there. Solving all the world's problems will have to be done somewhere else. WhatamIdoing 01:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I was a GATE student. My school had extra strict penalties that other students didn't have at the school. So we were under even more pressure not to screw up. I remember if I didn't do my homework, I would have to call my parents in front of the teacher and tell them that I was in trouble. Not to mention the other odd penalties, like making me sit on a painted dot for an hour at a time during lunch. I never had any say of going in or coming out. I never felt different than any other student. All of a sudden I was told I was smart and was put under extreme pressure to the point where I often threatened to kill myself if people wouldn't leave me alone about my grades. A few years later I was kicked out at the begining of the school year for failing the one and only exam I had a chance to take in one class. When I took an interest in academics, I wasn't allowed back in. I remember my druggie friends that could have cared less about school had their weighted GPAs handed to them on a silver platter to help them get in the finest universities. But at least the military was nice enough to take someone with intelligence that would be financially insecure after high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.225.216 (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a chat room. These discussion pages are intended solely for discussions on how to improve the existing encyclopedia entry. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Can we split the List of G&T programs off into its own, independent page? The length of the ToC box is intimidating right now. WhatamIdoing 18:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
