Talk:Ghost Mice

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This article was nominated for deletion on December 14, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep (nomination withdrawn). An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

[edit] Magazine tag

I am the one who put this on there. I like Ghost Mice and I'm glad there's an article on them, but the article reads like a laudatory review. lets please npov it up a little. Acornwithwings 08:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Which part of this is non-npov? please give an example as i must be over-looking it? unless you're referring to the quote... in which case, since it's a quote, we can't really modify it and make it a misquote. Jer the linear 11:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

this sentence, for example, is definitely stating an opinion: "Ghost Mice's slogan, "Punk as Folk", is a fantastic way to describe their music, lyrics, and just about everything that is Ghost Mice." also, generally speaking, it's not good form for a wikipedia entry to be comprised in such a large part by a quotation from the band members. it should state how the band identifies itself, where it has toured and when, etc, but simply copying and pasting the quote from their website makes it into basically the same thing as the band website, which a wikipedia entry is not. another good thing to include would be what sort of influence ghost mice has had, preferably sourced- i don't personally know what sources mention ghost mice, but they must exist. Acornwithwings 04:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Acornwithwings. I love Ghost Mice, but this article is a little ridiculous. I'm probably going to work on it later. Thatcrazycommie 19:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Nothing against the band but I think this page needs to be cleaned up. This article doesn't demonstrate the band's notability and pretty much looks like a wikipedia version of myspace minus the multimedia. For more info about how to establish notability, see Criteria for musicians and ensembles. --Kraftlos (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

among others, the band meets notability guidelines for "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." (on both No Idea Records and Plan-It-X Records) as well as "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city" (folk-punk/bloomington, IN), and "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable" (members of operation: cliff clavin). Previous discussion (found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ghost_Mice ) concluded the band meets notability guidelines. jer the linear (talk) 08:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This page needs to get some secondary sources. Right now it doesn't look like a magazine article and really doesn't cite any reliable sources. I'm not arguing that the band is not notable, but that deletion argument wasn't really all the convincing (three votes? come on!).

Are those record labels really "important indie labels"; their pages seem equally unsourced. I'm not sure why how Clavin qualifies as coming from a notable band. I think "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city" is probably acceptable but again, no citations of any kind aside from the record company's pages.

Reviewing those two label's rosters will show you they have extremely notable bands, including but not limited to Less Than Jake, Crass, Defiance Ohio, Fifteen, Against Me!, Planes Mistaken for Stars, Hot Water Music, etc, with No Idea having a 20+ year history and PIX almost 15. They clearly qualify as major indies. clavin and hanah both come from Operation: Cliff Clavin. I will work on expanding the article to include sources. jer the linear (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of any those bands, but I asked a friend of mine who said he'd heard of one of them. That said I'm not really that knowledgeable about this area of music and I'm not seeing any notabilty. These articles should be useful to people like me who know nothing about the subject and right now those other pages really aren't any better sourced than this one. So I wouldn't really think that they could lend their notability to this page. As soon as there's some citations, I'll be cool with taking the tag down. I'll try to help out if I get some time because I'm curious about the band myself. --Kraftlos (talk) 09:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit: I have heard of Less than Jake and it appears to have been on the billboard charts and had contact with Capitol Records, so I think No Idea would qualify. I guess I could switch the tag from notability to a citation-related tag.--Kraftlos (talk) 09:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you get some other citations on the page or at least clean it up so it doesn't look so un-encyclopedic?" I'm all for small independant groups getting pages, but they need to clearly establish notablity with reliable sources. I would like to stress that I'm not asking for the article to be deleted. Do not take down that tag until you have established notability. Thank you. --Kraftlos (talk) 07:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)