Talk:German settlement in Argentina

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[edit] references to German nationallity

For the known German-Argentines, having the category of German-Argentine doesn't mean that the fact is sourced. WEhat's more, this list, and the categories in the corresponding articles, seam to be made of people with surnames that look German, but I doubt Jorge Novak (slavic surname) or Cristian Breitenstein carry a German passport. Besides, many are really not that notable (Raúl Daniel Schmidt??) --Mariano(t/c) 21:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You are dead wrong then. Just because you never heard of Raul Schmidt doesnt mean hes not notable Mariano, as if you research him he does have a impressive record [1]. The Germans in Argentina article shows it's sources for the famous Argentines of German descent which I took and then expanded. Cristian Breistenstein if he is not notable then I dont know who is he is the mayor of Bahia Blanca and the goverment has a page about him (might I mention he speaks Good German and Understands it very well.) [2] If these are not notable people then why do many have Wikipedia articles that even show there importance?(XGustaX 21:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC))


Jorge Novak is of Volga German descent [3], he was born in a colony of Volga German settlers in Argentina too [4]. Novak may be a slavic reform of Neumann surname and viceversa [5]. Cristian Breitenstein (breiten= of german "broad", stein of german "stone") is also of Volga German descent and is used to going to the festival of Volga German descents in Coronel Suárez too [6]. Here you may see Breitenstein surname among Volga Germans who also settled in North America [7].

[edit] Descendents

How important is the German-Argentine community? It is estimated that around 7% of the Argentine population have a German surname (including Ashkenazis). As we know, there are 1,200,000 descendents of Volga Germans. It is also known that around 60,000 Germans (from Germany) settled in the country between 1857 and 1946 (out of more than 150,000 immigrants). Many Germans settled in the country after the end of the WWII (around [50,000 in 1960 only). According to the German embassy there are between 600,000 and 1,000,000 people with German ancestry living in Argentina. So there are at least 1,800,000 German-Argentines. Note that I haven't included descendents of Swiss Germans and Austrians. The figures could be as high as 2,800,000 (7% of the Argentine population) if you include all the Germanic communities.--Elnuevomercurio 16:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I have been reading recently that up to 22 precent in total are of German descent or part German descent.[8] German-Argentines make up the third largest community in Argentina, after of course Italian-Argentines and Spanish-Argentines. I also do know that about 1,800,000 Argentines speak German. In terms of Cultural and contritubtions made by German-Argentines they seem endless, I keep finding more and more, Please read the article for more informationThanks for the information. (XGustaX 17:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

22%? Isn't it too much? The link you gave me is an official or a personal work?
By the way, shouldn't we organize the page just like the page about German-Brazilians for instance? --Elnuevomercurio 12:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


It seems correct to me. I don't know where they got there sources from but from reading the rest of the article they got the sources right. I am from Argentina and it is very very common to hear "Soy Aleman" or " I am German" it is a very common ancestry here. However, keep in mind this does not mean they are only German this 22 percent this also includes people who are part. A common mix here to is Spanish and German or Italian and German. As for making them like the Brazilian pages, I dont know I kind of wanted to try something new and different. (XGustaX 14:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC))

I don't think we should take this essay as a reliable source. What surprises me is that he wrote Argentina's population is 22% German, the rest is comprised mostly of English and Italian biological origins. We both know it is not the truth. Argentines are mostly of Italian and/or Spanish background. German ancestry comes third but doesn't exceed 10% (I would go with 5-6%). English ancestry isn't that important either. We could send him an email to ask him where he found such figures.
Swiss Info sounds like an unreliable source to me. Hacia allá fueron en los últimos 150 años 8 millones de españoles, 6 millones de italianos, entre otras nacionalidades. These figures are overly exaggerated. From 1857 to 1940, about 3,000,000 Italians and 2,000,000 Spaniards immigrated to Argentina (many of them coming back to Europe). 1,800,000 German speakers may be an exaggerated figure as well.
Why don't we merge your article and this one into a single article? (It's not mine.) --Elnuevomercurio 12:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


However, you are looking at only figures before WWII what about after WWII when Germans came by the boat loads 250,000 each year. The figure seems right and I think you miss understood the Essay they were just talking about anyone from Argentina who was non-Spanish since the article is suppose to prove that most people from Argentina are non-Spanish descent. To say English ancestry is not that important is a vast understatment as well, here in Argentina there are tons of English schools. The reason we play polo is because of the English. The reason we have the most extensive railroad system is also because of the English. I know we have over 500,000 Irish families living in Argentina making Argentina the 5th largest Irish community in the world. We are just talking about Irish people let mind you. As for the Swiss figure those are correct because you have to realize we are talking about a a vast period not just 1880-1940 but all the way to present and all the way from all the way back to when Argentina was independent if you add up the figures they add up to about just right. Either way both figures support one another. (XGustaX 15:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC))

Right. 500,000 Irish-Argentines, i.e. 1.25% of the population. Add the Welsh community (20,000 persons), 0.05% and around 100,000 Anglo-Argentines (0.25%). British (primary) ancestry doesn't exceed 2% of the population. Of course, there has been a huge British influence in Argentina in the past (Argentina acquiring a "honorary Dominion" status) but the British immigrants to Argentina have never been numerous. I guess you should read the article about la inmigración en la Argentina. 8,000,000 Spaniards and 6,000,000 Italians? This is impossible. Could you please tell me where you read that 250,000 Germans settled in Argentina each year after WWII? (I'm not telling you this is wrong, I'd just like to read it.) By the way, have you planned to translate your article into Spanish? --Elnuevomercurio 14:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)