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The discussion, if one can call it that, of the Prussian reforms under Hardenberg and Stein is amazingly one-side and biased. I trust that someone better informed will re-write that section.Cosal 20:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 List of Germans 2 Locke 3 A bit off-topic 4 North German Confederation and 1871 Empire 5 Vandalism 6 Flag of the German Confederation was the current tricolour

[edit] List of Germans

Themanwithoutapast, why don't you join the discussion on the List of Germans at Talk:List_of_Germans about who is considered German. In my opinion, Schubert was both German and Austrian. Austria was part of Germany when he was born in 1797, and when he died, there was no German country, but Austria was still a member of the German Confederation. --Chl 12:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

• If you see it this way, George Washington should be considered a famous British freedom fighter. 1797 Austria was NOT part of Germany, Austria was an independent country heading a loose confederation of german-speaking independent countries and was at that time referred to as Austria in the whole world - not Germany. Themanwithoutapast 14:39, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

• Not quite correct: Austria was part of the German Empire, and the Emperors of Austria (and Kings of Hungary) were simultaneously Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. They only relinquished the crown of the German Empire in 1806 when the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved. Cosal 20:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Locke

The article says: "The late 18th century was a period of political, economic, intellectual, and cultural reform, the Enlightenment (represented by figures such as Locke, Rousseau, Voltaire, and Adam Smith)". Locke hardly counts as either late 18th century or an enlightenment figure... he died in 1704! -WHO IS THIS??? [The signature is supplied with the "WHO IS THIS" by Pika ten10 11:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]

Though I consider 18th century to be the an "Age of Enlightenment", I can't totally agree with this person (Sign your posts, PLEASE.). For me, any point in history in which people get new philosophical or political ideas can be called "Age of Enlightenment". Actually, I can say that the rise of socialism is "Age of Enlightenment"... for historians cannot agree on the time in which time that period in history happened... and that is the case of other historical periods. Thus the person who said that "The late 18th century... (represented by figures such as Locke, Rousseau etc.)" is having an error. Furthermore I extend this to the person who said that John Locke is not an enlightenment figure. Imagine he had thoughts about the Theory on Natural Laws, Social Contract and other issues mostly about freedom of the individual, even though he died in 1704. Is he the person you reject to be an enlightenment figure?? His ideas actually influenced the later Enlightenment thinkers. -Pika ten10 11:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A bit off-topic

Hi I feel that this article is a bit off-topic. The topic should be the German Confederation and not the social-economic development of Germany in the 19th century. While of course the social and economic development are important to understand the German Confederation, it is much too extensive. The focus of this article should be when it was created, who was in it and when it had ended, etc. Unfortunately the whole thing concentrates more on the development of the social and economic structure Germany. The next thing I find negative about it is a the liberal use of qualifying particles like "reactionary" or "regime" (which tends to have a negative conotation nowadays). I also find the use of the word "bourgeois" a bit problematic in this connection. The article also has a left bias and interpertation of events I find a bit disturbing. I think it should be reworked on that basis. --Ebralph 12:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North German Confederation and 1871 Empire

The North German Confederation was not changed to the German Empire. I corrected that. Limburg was not constituent member of the Federtaion, so I took it out of the paragraph, which was too complicated anyway. --Kipala 10:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I cant remove it ... (do you see in article) ... --EnBobM 09:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Now its repaired ... --EnBobM 09:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of the German Confederation was the current tricolour

Someone keeps removing the flag of the German Confederation, which was used from 1848 onward, which was the black-red-yellow tricolour. If you do not believe this, look on the web for Flags of the World or FOTW and look at the historical flags of Germany, it will display the German Confederation as having this flag from 1848 to the confederation's dissolution in 1866.

The black-red-gold tricolour was the flag of the revolutionists of 1848/49. During that time the German Confederation wasn't active. The German Confederation was reestablished between 1850 and 1851 under Austrian Presidency. Habsburg Austria supressed the use of that tricolour, for example at the subjugation of the Vienna city council by Austrian general Windischgrätz, he ran down that tricolour lying in the dust with his horse. That was the position of the Habsburg monarchy regarding that flag. Please don't confuse the Frankfurt National Assembly of 1848/49 with the German Confederation, which de facto didn't exist between 1848 and 1850. Blinder Seher 20:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)