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Contents 1 Congressmen Dickstein 2 anti war 3 Friends of New Germany 4 something must be confused about the history 5 Hitler Youth Camps list? 6 Antisemitic Organizatiuon 6.1 Hitler & Peace 6.2 Holocaust museum 6.3 Alleged Attack by Jews 7 Removing POV Tag? 8 Main Goal

[edit] Congressmen Dickstein

According to the Wikipedia article on him, Dickstein was not in the pay of the Soviet Union until 1937, well after investigation of Bund began. I therefore don't see what it has to do with this article. --JB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.128.42 (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] anti war

What does this article have to do with anti-war? thanks Hmains 00:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, since they were supportive of Hitler's Germany, they didn't want the US to go to war against the Nazis. I guess that's why. The Ungovernable Force 02:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hitler didn't want war with the US or with the British, for purely practical reasons--he had his hands full in Europe. That's why the German Nazis encouraged American isolationism. That's also why he considered Churchill a "warmonger" (!)--Churchill had Hitler's "number" early on and understood why America and Britain couldn't just sit by while Hitler established the Reich on the continent. Acdavisad 03:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to let whoever oversees this article know that under external links the single newsreal link leads to no results. Since it is unclear to me whether that fact is the result of an error in link address, or deletion of the material which is was once linked to the link will remain, but perhaps someone with a deaper knowledge of the article could correct that. Thank you. --WalksWithGrizzlies 20:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friends of New Germany

Please DISAMBIGUATE, as I have formed a separate article under this heading: Friends of New Germany. Its like the League of Nations being simply REDIRECTED to the United States!

Yours truly, Ludvikus 18:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] something must be confused about the history

The article currently reads:

...established in the 1930s as a merger of two older organizations, the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) and the Free Society of Teutonia, both of which were small groups with only a few hundred members each.

But the National Socialist German Workers Party: 1) was not an American organization; 2) did not merge to form the German American Bund; and 3) was much larger than "a few hundred members". Presumably some American Nazi organization is meant instead? --Delirium 09:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hitler Youth Camps list?

Does anybody want to compile a list of Hitler Youth Camps in the United States for this article, or as a link to it? I'll start with Camp Siegfried in Yaphank, New York. DanTD 15:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antisemitic Organizatiuon

It appears as if this "poor" German American organization was the victim of Jewish boycotts, etc. I seriously doubt the current neutrality of this article. I ask that the authors reconsider that issue. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 03:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hitler & Peace

I question nthe following:

    . . . Friends of New Germany. Its main goal was promoting peace and friendship
    between the United States and Germany, and preventing another war.

That's what the authors say in the opening of this article. And the Jews caused the trouble is the implied message. We might as well say that Hitler too wanted peace - and it was the Jews who forced war on him. That's precisely what Hitler said in his famous speach at the Reichstag. And now we have the claim here that this Bund was also a peaceful organization!!!

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 03:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Holocaust museum

The above has the following:

    The German American Bund, an organization of ethnic Germans living in the United States, was marked by a pro-Nazi stance.
    
    Aside from its admiration for Adolf Hitler and the achievements of Nazi Germany, the German American Bund program included
    antisemitism, strong anti-Communist sentiments, and the demand that the United States remain neutral
    in the approaching European conflict.

See the External link to said Museum: [1].

Yours truly --Ludvikus 03:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

---

And here's another quote from said Museum:

    Public opinion surveys of 1939 show that Fritz Kuhn,
    the leader of the German American Bund,
    was seen by the U.S. public
    as the leading antisemite in the country.

Yet the author(s) of our article says this Bund was "attacked" by Jews with "boycotts"! --Ludvikus 04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'm having a hard time understanding why Jews fighting this awful group is a bad thing. Shouldn't everyone have attacked it? Did boycotts actually take place? If so, include that information. Maybe change the word "attacked" since it seems loaded. Sharpvisuals 11:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged Attack by Jews

The second paragraph of this article currently opens as follows:

    Soon after their formation, the Friends came under attack from two fronts.
    The first was a Jewish boycott of German goods in the heavily German neighborhood
    of Yorkville on the Upper East Side of New York City.
    The second came from Jewish Congressman Samuel Dickstein,
    a Democrat who represented New York City and who was also reported
    in Soviet archives as as an espionage agent receiving a monthly stipend from the NKVD,
    in return for giving them reports on Congressional activities.

This is the old antisemitic lie that Jew and Bolsheviks to harm some third party - in this case the poor German American Bund. So this Bund was not essentially a front for Hitler and everthing he stood for? --Ludvikus 04:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Since no details are given about what sort of "attack" the FotNG came under from the New York j00z or congressman Dicksteinbergman, I removed both and left the mention of the Jewish boycott -- which the FotNG presumably made the choice to involve themselves in. 67.168.160.218 (talk) 10:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

thought ragingly anti-semitic and serving as a dilapidated and largely un-officially backed aryan front for the States, Hitler, Rudolf Hess and German ambassador to the US Dieckhoff all made calculated efforts to distance themselves from Kuhn and the Bund (and its predecessor Friends). German nationals were even twice prohibited from membership in both groups, due to its brash and whimsical rallies, publications and general outbursts against "jewish" and "red" conspirators - user: evanP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.67.192.9 (talk) 00:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing POV Tag?

The POV tag has been up since September 2007 and, it seems to me, attempts have been made to address the concerns raised by the editor who put up the tag. I left a note on that editor's talk page, but he seems to be on something of a hiatus. Unless anyone can identify any particular issues where the neutrality of this article is still disputed, I think it's time to remove the tag. croll (talk) 03:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed the tag due to lack of any response. If neutrality is still disputed, feel free to put it back up with an explanation here as to what you think needs to be fixed. croll (talk) 18:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main Goal

The "goal" of this organization - as was the case of all such Nazi organizations outside of Germany, was also to promote Nazi ideology - which was essentially Racist and Antisemitic. The opening paragraph - rather inoculessly - omits these facts. Why? It appears there is whitewashing here. The article needs to assert, clearly, the nature of the program of the American Nazi party: Racism and Antisemitism. --151.202.89.243 (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)