Talk:Geologic temperature record

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I recently created this page to give a deep time perspective to fluctuations in Earth's temperature history. Right now it is quite qualitative and not at all well documented. I intend to continue to improving this page over time, but it may be a while before I have ample opportunity to do so. Dragons flight 06:59, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Paleoclimatology

I believe you should merge this with Paleoclimatology, as that is the term for old climate. You apparently created this page by thinking of "temperature record" over "time scales used in geology". However, this page may be suitable for the paleoclimate records which have been extracted from rock and geologic deposits. — SEWilco 19:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
(previously posted reply from Talk:temperature record) I had forgotten about that page. I'm probably not impartial, but the paleoclimate page is rather icky right now with things that don't belong and material that should be there which isn't. In my opinion, wikipedia could tolerate both a well-written page on paleoclimatology (including methodology, forcing factors, and an outline of past climate) and a more focused page, such as I have tried to start, that just goes back and tries to describe climate changes through geologic time. However, I am willing to entertain other opinions, such as merging the two, or whatever. Dragons flight 08:54, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
It looks like a lot of this material fits in the existing structure of Paleo. Merge them, then deal with restructuring. Some subgrouping usually becomes apparent during a merge. — SEWilco 22:11, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I will keep paleoclimatology in mind, but I think I am probably going to make additional refinements to this page in its current location before deciding what to do long term. Dragons flight 22:37, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Processes affecting global temperatures

Re Connolley's {{cn}}, entirely agree. Actually, the much-cited Royer et al says precisely the opposite. This whole section is loaded with pretty arguable stuff. Needs re-wording for NPOV. --Gergyl (talk) 00:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The 70M-year Geologic Interval Section has been removed because? All data presented was verified by the references which are still included in the article. It appeared that this entry was a competing assemblage of verifiable facts, properly referenced. Because this was presented in this article, and has been deleted, violates NPOV. MOShaver —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.57.120 (talk • contribs)
I cut it [1] because it had no refs. Are you Shaver? If so, which papers are you referring to? As to the ice age stuff at the end... what did you have in mind? William M. Connolley (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
On second thoughts, I hacked out even more [2] William M. Connolley (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes you did cut out all competing discussions. The reference of P.C.Frisch "Solar Journey: The Significance of our Galactic Environment for the Heliosphere and Earth" ISBN-10 1-4020-X(HB) has reference to GMC ice age causal explicity indicating a 1000/cm3 and 20KM/sec penetration threshold for the Sol Earth Heliosphere (see Chapter 11 Fahr and Yeghikyan). Within this same book, reference to the Galactic Gas ouflow rate of 26KM/s is made in reference to published papers. User Morbas, 2008 February 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.57.120 (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, lets try to make sense of this...
  1. Alternately, Shaver has recently correlated.... Who is Shaver? You signed yourself MOShaver, so I thought it might be you. Or it might be a misspelling of Shaviv. Which?
  2. P.C.Frisch, Fahr and Yehikyan, have presented papers that interstellar material (ISM) density of 1000cm-3 at 20KM/sec will eliminate the Sol Heliosphere at 1AU, causing O2 depletion, Ozone depletion and an Ice Age. This is garbled. What does it mean? Is it a prediction of the future, or an explanation of the past? What is the source...? You seem to be now saying its F&Y, so why add F?
William M. Connolley (talk) 20:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

1) I am M.O.Shaver, alias morbas both here and on Astronomy.com. There is another Shaver,an editor, you can correct me on this.

So when you wrote Alternately, Shaver has recently correlated.... you were referring to your own unpublished work? You're not allowed to: see WP:OR William M. Connolley (talk) 10:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I somehow question the fair play nature of your WP:OR arguement.76.171.57.120 (talk) 03:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I published it on the web. It was open to review and I had advertised this to many scientists in the same field. I am writing a professional level paper, being audited/reviewed/edited by an anonymous PhD. I am presently waiting for a very relevant paper to be published, so I am taking my sweet time.Morbas (talk) 16:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

2) a) Honorable P.C.Frisch et.al. indicate that Interstellar Clouds impinging on the Solar System with this intensity will cause "Accretion of Interstellar Material into the Heliosphere and onto Earth". As a consquence the hydrogen impact will purge the O2, the Ozone, and cause an Ice Age temperature depression. Chapter (11) is an analysis made by H.Fahr and A.Yeghikyan that evaluates this penetration of the Heliosphere. In this anaylsis they also attempt to evaluate the probability of such an intersection and come to a few hundred Million years frequency. This is in the above referenced book by P.C.Frisch. I presented the 70M-year interval to suggest a strong correlation, and also included the 220M-year (Kvet) to show all periods were accounted for. I was not picking a few among all the Periods. Which brings us to the Central Bar being aligned to this 210M-year Nemesis and the Oligicene Ice Age. I added F as a consequence, the present Central Bar +28 degree position, adding about one degree per M-year.

So the FF&Y stuff is for the past, not the future? What does "purge the O2 mean"? William M. Connolley (talk) 10:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The hydrogen inflow combines with the O2 and O3 (per P.C.Frisch). The future is apparent because Sol will pass across three arms cycling into the next zero degree central bar alignment. The past 210M-years will re-cycle, however Sol main sequence will favor more GW.Morbas (talk) 16:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


2 b) Also Frisch, P.C., 2006, Solar Journey: The Significance of our environment for the Heliosphere and Earth, pp55 et al. Witt M (2004) on Ulysses GAS HE flow.ISBN-10 1-4020-4397-X indicated measured intergalactic gas flow rates at 26KM/sec vectored from the Galactic Core (relative to Sol).

Morbas (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC) The excellent references have been removed, as they have no relevance to your highly edited discussion. Good Luck...Morbas (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wikiproject Earth

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[edit] {{cn}} tags

Most of the things you're {{cn}}'ing are uncontroversial, and discussed at length in the references given on the graph image pages. Why not transfer the citations from the graphs, rather than just littering tags everywhere?