Talk:Gentle Giant
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[edit] Factual material
The factual material is pretty good. When it comes to albums’ reviews, it sounds quite opinionated. Shouldn’t be taken as an absolute standard. People new to GG should read reviews on Yahoo or Amazon where a wider spectrum of opinions is present. Although usually only fans search for GG anyway.
Major factual error:
"Concept albums, long songs (often limited only by the 22 minute capacity of an LP side)"
I think their longest single track was about 12 minutes. Most of their material was in the 5 - 8 minute range, and much of it was less than 5 minutes. Also, there was no 22 minute limit on LP side length. I'm deleting that line, just because it's plain wrong.
[edit] NPOV
I tried to make the article more neutral - there are so many vague terms that seem more like fan hyperbole.
I removed this line:
Their music is described by one critic as "an unlikely mix of dissonant 20th-century classical chamber music, medieval vocal music, jazz and rock."
I found it on the Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock in a review by Mike Ohman. Is he a critic or a fan? (Maybe the line could return saying it's from a fan?)
The album The Power And The Glory received the highest critical acclaim. -- I removed this line since I think it needs some reference to back it up.
In general, the page has a lot of opinions. I'm trying to clean them up, hopefully producing a better (?) page. (Please be gentle - this is my first major rewrite on Wikipedia!) -dvs- 21:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- IMO, Mike Ohman should be regarded as a critic. He has reviewed enormous amounts of progressive rock and has shown little sign of being a Gentle Giant fan. Wurdnurd 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] UK/European charts
If anyone can find a reference to GG hitting the UK or other European charts, please add them to the page.
[edit] Higher Quality
I'm slowly starting to add info to the Gentle Giant page and related ones. I think we need to have an article for each band member and also a page for each album. I have already begun on the albums by creating infoboxes and uploading the proper boxart, but these are still not much more than pretty stubs. It would be nice to have more info on the albums themselves.
The same goes for the main band article (this one). I think we could use some pictures of the band as well as additional information. I'll add a bit here and there when I can, but my time is limited and I can't do this on my own. --Comics 05:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Too high quality?
Hats off to the author of the part on Compositional style! Respect!
I've listened to this band for about 25 years now but I find it difficult to understand much of this part. I don't have any musical education and I think the average user of Wikipedia does not, either. Wonder what they figure out of this chapter.
Furthermore I think that this part is way too dominant in the whole article. I don't mean it should be shortened, rather adding new material to the whole article. Much, much more in the History chapter, for instance, instruments played, etc...
Who should do it?
We - You and me = people who care about this band!
--Washington22irving (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Octopus photo?
In the "See Also" section there's a link to Roger Dean, saying "features an image of the cover of Octopus". I thought that would have meant that the Wiki page for Roger Dean has a photo of Octopus, but I couldn't find it. Can this be reworded then? -dvs- 14:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- I have deleted the whole section. The Roger Dean article does not have a picture of the UK Octopus album cover which he designed, as you noted. Furthermore, Dean only did one cover for Gentle Giant. I wouldn't consider him to the especially relevant to GG as he is to Yes, for example. –Comics (Talk) 23:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fugue or not
Though popular believe has it that "On Reflection" contains a fugue, this is not the case. At best, the opening of "On Reflection" is the exposition of a fugue. However, if strict baroque rules are applied, this part lacks a strong countersubject, and as such might be better qualified as a round. I've decided to not apply the strictest rules and to accept the notion that this part has enough characteristics to be called the exposition of a fugue. Opinions? Wurdnurd 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Agree with everything except your opinion about the existence of a strong countersubject, which is your opinion. I find the second subject plenty strong, thought the third and fourth tend to get lost. Sebum-n-soda 17:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] British? Scottish
While this article lists Gentle Giant as British, Gentle Giant are in fact Scottish and the article should include this distinction so they are not confused with being English. I will add this to the article as soon as I find the reference. --Teetotaler 15 June, 2007
- Hmmm. That's interesting as I've never hear anything to suggest their nationality as Scottish, and blazemonger itself (which is undoubtedly the most credible GG source that comes to mind) cites them as a "British" band. Of course, the Shulmans - excepting Ray - were born in Scotland, but their career and fellow musicians all hail from England. - C. M. Reed 01:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Styles
howdy, i studied Geir Hasnes Writing on the group and did some writing here as well . please discuss on it! cheerso194.94.133.193 18:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Gentlegiant.jpg
Image:Gentlegiant.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 10:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- This has "not" been answered. Fair use here (in wikipedia) is considered valid only if used on the article about the actual subject - so in this can the album article. This usage here is to illustrate the band, which this isn't a picture of. A new picture (of the band) should be sought. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Too high quality?
Hats off to the author of the part on Compositional style! Respect!
I've listened to this band for about 25 years now but I find it difficult to understand much of this part. I don't have any musical education and I think the average user of Wikipedia does not, either. Wonder what they figure out of this chapter.
Furthermore I think that this part is way too dominant in the whole article. I don't mean it should be shortened, rather adding new material to the whole article. Much, much more in the History chapter, for instance, instruments played, etc...
Who should do it?
We - You and me = people who care about this band!
--Washington22irving (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Have a look at the Blazemonger site and read with caution the Stump biog and you can start the process. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
