Talk:Gaya confederacy

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[edit] From a Bill Gates interview re: localised versions of Encarta... (http://www.btimes.co.za/97/0406/tech/tech6.htm)

"And in another edition we made the factual mistake of saying that a small state in southern Korea, known as Kaya to the Koreans and Mimana to the Japanese, had been "dominated" by Japan in the 3rd and 4th centuries. Before corrected, this error provoked outrage in South Korea with one newspaper calling for a boycott of all Microsoft products."

Might want to mention that in the politics section somewhere (I'm too lazy to add it :) )

That's not much of a correction. The "Japaneseness" isn't the factual correction he's refering to. All he's saying is that it can't be said that it was "dominated." It still could be a colony or minor Japanese state.

--Watchreader 16:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

That's most likely untrue. First of all, the only supporting "evidence" are two references, as far as I am aware.

According to the Gwanggeto stele (I've seen it before), Goguryeo had dominance over the northern portion of the Korean peninsula. This brought rise to the claim that there might have been a Japanese Settlement or colony, which was much dismissed as bias by Japanese scholars until Japan had need for a justification to colonize Korea from 1910 - 1945.
According to the Nihon Shoki, which was (and is) much criticized by many scholars for its factual inaccuracy, claims that empress consort Jingu, while she was Pregnant with Hachiman, conquered Gaya and made Baekje, Shilla, and Goguryeo a vassal of Wa, all in 3 years. However, this partially conflicts with the Gwanggeto stele, and also severely conflicts with Chinese and Korean records. In the Goguryeo Bon-gi, there is a record that Wa sent an emissary to Goguryeo during the Goguryeo-Sui wars to pledge allegiance to the king of Goguryeo.

Second, are you saying that I descend from Japan? I descend directly from the Royal throne of Gaya. I am the Thirty-Fourth direct descendant of King Suro of Gaya, and Japanese records have no mention whatsoever about the history of Gaya. Odst 01:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok buddy, calm down a second. First and foremost, I'm not a scholar of this issue. I'm merely a student. I also never claimed one way or the other that one theory of the Japanese colony was more likely than the other. I was merely pointing out that the "correction" is ambiguous. Gate's wasn't saying that Mimana didn't exist, only that Japanese culture didn't "dominate" the region. Indeed, the correction could have merely been that Mimana, the Japanese colony, was separate from the Gaya kingdom (traditionally the colony is referred to as "Inma" in Korean). I don't know though, since the English version of this issue (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%BB%E9%82%A3) doesn't exist. Perhaps you, being the decedent of royalty to Gaya, can translate from the Korean version (http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9E%84%EB%82%98%EC%9D%BC%EB%B3%B8%EB%B6%80).

Second of all, most theories I've heard never claim that Mimana (Inma) conquered the Silla, Baekje, or Goguryeo. In fact most of them claim they were taken over by Korean forces. They also say that mostly the Japanese forces gave military support and tribute to Baekje. It's also not clear how powerful the Kingdom of Wa is at this point, since there are few records (Japanese or Chinese) that go in depth on this issue. The Kingdom of Wa could refer to several Japanese states, one of which could have lent support to Goguryeo.

Third, what the hell are you talking about with this descendant stuff? Am I supposed to be impressed by your bloodline or something? And I suppose that since part of your bloodline going back thousands of years to the Gaya royalty, it's absolutely impossible that you have descended from people who were Japanese speaking (which I've never claimed one way or the other)? Your mentioning of lineage is both irrelevant and arrogant.

Lastly, of course no Japanese records talk about the kingdom of Gaya! Why would they? The Nihon Shoki is the one of the first forms of Japanese historical documentation EVER, and that was written several decades AFTER the unification of Korea. And as you've pointed out, it's not really a historical document as much as a compilation of origin myths with some historical perspective. It doesn't even go too deeply or accurately into Japanese history, so why on earth would you expect Japanese records to talk about Gaya?

--Watchreader 05:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess Korea don't hold historical proof for this article. Samguk Sagi is their oldest extant Korean historical document. We need more citations or other documents. If not, this article would be just a "hear-say" statement. -- Brionies 08:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)