Talk:Gay slang/Archive 1

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AntWiki's calls for justification - moved

The following terms should have authoritive citations if they are to remain in the article according to User:AntsWiki:

  • Seeker
  • Otter
  • Zegers


[Note: could the author of this entry adduce authoritative citational evidence for the existence of this definition?] AntsWiki 30/31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This was moved from the main article, to the discussion page where it belongs, so that the actual article is not affected. -Erolos 19:24, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)




Restructuring, rephrasing

I'm starting to restructure this article so that it's like many of our other list-of-phrases articles (especially List of Latin phrases). It should help legibility, and is pretty straightforward to implement:

;Term 1
:Definition of Term 1
;[[Term 2]]
:Definition of Term 2

renders as

Term 1
Definition of Term 1
Term 2
Definition of Term 2

I'm also rephrasing the subtler POV in some of these definitions, and doing some copyediting while I'm at it. So far I've only finished "A", but am working on other sections.

Please chip in as you get the chance. - jredmond 20:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm also putting our two ñ-terms under "N"; the CompactTOC can't handle the diacritic, and most English speakers will alphabetize "ñ" and "n" the same anyway. - jredmond 22:06, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)


hey

these are legitame words for inclusion, what do you guys think

  • fudgepacking
Can we substantiate that this is really a slang term among GLBT people?
  • shebrew
See above.
  • 420-girl
See above; same with 420-boy.

i also think that whenever gay man or gay woman is used it should read gay/bi man or gay/bi woman if it applies. such as in the definition for 420-boy

i would also like to bring to attention that Ñatito and Ñatita are not in alphabetical order

Depends on how you alphabetize. Ideally, the CompactTOC would recognize the Ñ as being a distinct letter between N and O (as it is in Spanish) and adjust accordingly. However, it doesn't, and there's really no way to do that without breaking the template or doing it manually. Because of this, and since English speakers tend to alphabetize ñ-words as if they were n-words, I put ñatito/a in the "N" section. You're welcome to change it, though. - jredmond 19:44, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • fudgepacking -- Did not originate as gay slang.
  • Shebrew -- have never heard this, but have doubts
  • 420 and related entries -- did not originate in gay slang
  • Spanish terms don't belong here; this list is for English slang.
  • I also have doubts about VGL and VWH, neither of which probably even qualifies as slang, and both of which probably didn't originate as gay slang.
Exploding Boy 23:30, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)


neitehr did the word gay, but there it is, besides i am gay and its used for when the guy has a shitty ass and gets fucked anyways ive heard it used a lot by my jewish lesbian friend and it was used as a vocab word on VH1's totally gayer tv special user: 172.198.136.41

First, please place new comments below old ones, not within them. Second, please sign your posts using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Third, nonsense. I'm gay too. I'm pretty sure I'm older than you. I'm active in gay communities in two countries and familiar with gay culture in several more. I read gay publications and have many gay/lesbian/bi and straight friends. Fudgepacker did not originate in gay slang, and your definition is highly, highly suspect. As I suggested on your talk page, please be careful with your edits to this article. While I think you probably mean well, I'm spending a lot of time correcting the errors you're inserting. Exploding Boy 23:51, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Shebrew

  • A jewish gay woman.
    • Why isn't this word in here, and why was it removed?**
    • Doesn't anyone think it should be added?**

It is in use in my circle of jewdykes, that one i made up, but shebrews is not, and i saw the totally gayer special its even on VH1 cmon!? 147.144.66.198 20:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article is for English words that are or were in actual common use by gay people. That does not include nonsense, words you made up, words used by your circle of friends, or little-known regional variations. It does include slang terms that are well-known and widely recognized. Exploding Boy 20:18, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Your totally wrong here exploding boy, i've heard it a lot. even on tv. i would reconsider, and i think your an ass, so im gonna add at everyday relentlessly untill you give up.. hahaha posted by User: 69.236.71.146

Regardless of your opinion of me, which I'm not particularly interested in, the behaviour you describe is called vandalism and will get you blocked. Exploding Boy 01:27, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Request for comments on "Shebrew"

Anyone else -- regular contributors, preferrably -- have an opinion on this? I'm going to leave it in temporarily to avoid creating a revert war with the user above, but if I don't see any evidence that this is real and not some in-group nonsense I'm removing it. Exploding Boy 01:31, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

69.236.64.40 23:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) leave it, ive heard of it!
It should be noted that this user has vandalized at least one other page. See here. Exploding Boy 00:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Delete - Google only reports 904 hits. Of those, the most common reference in the first couple of pages was to a font and then to Jewish women generally (not lesbian). Autiger 05:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Additions

I have added a number of terms and slightly modified a few. Added words include: binder, bio-boy, birthsex, cisgender, dicklet, f2m, ftm, genetic girl, intergender, intersex, m2f, mtf, mtm (male-to-male), no-ho/no-op, non-op, packer, pack-n-play, passing, pisser, pre-op, queer spawn, radaring, stealth, T, transdyke, transfag, transexual, transman, and transwoman. Most of these terms relate to trans-specific slang, I hope that is appropriate in this section, but with no "queer slang" section and the terms already in the list that are trans- rather than gay-specific I figured this was the place for them.

Modified the term "Birthgender" from "the gender one is born into" to "the social gender role one is assigned at birth." Many/most transexuals would argue that the gender they currently identify as is the gender they were born into, and that rather their contradictory physical birthsex, and the social gender role/identity they were expected to automatically assume by virtue of this birthsex, was what caused the confusion.

I am probably missing some of the modifications I've made, I apoligize, I was doing this during down-time at work over the last week or so and forget some.

(original edit by User:Tgjerusalem)


Removals, part II

The following items have been removed since they are not exclusively "gay slang" terms. This was also done as a continuation of the tradition that common terms that allegedly have the same meaning outside the gay community can not be considered gay slang. (See removal of my addition of the word "Jaded" by JDRedmond)

Bi-curious

- :A person who has previously identified as exclusively attracted to members of one sex who wishes to "experiment" with people of the other. THIS IS NOT GAY-SLANG; this is MAINSTREAM and understood to mean exactly the same thing!

Body fascism

- :A pejorative term for an unwavering insistence on strict conformity to particular ideals of appearance (such as muscularity, slimness, amount of body hair, etc.). Reaction against it has been the birth of the Bear, Chub, and Gender Blender subcultures, among others. COINED BY CINDY CRAWFORD in a 1992 interview with Cosmopolitan magazine; used to describe female beauty standards; not gay slang

Boy toy

- :The reciprocal to a sugar daddy; the younger partner in a relationship with an older man. Suggests a primary interest in money, a good time, sex, experience, advice, and/or the desire to find a father figure. COINED BY MADONNA; ca. 1983, again referring to women; not gay men; not gay slang

Denial, in denial, Queen of Denial, Cleopatra

-  :Being unable or unwilling to admit one's homosexuality or bisexuality. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Dyke

- :Derogatory term for a gay woman; the lesbian equivalent of faggot. NOT GAY SLANG; PEJORATIVE SLANG CREATED BY NON-GAYS TO INSULT GAYS

Feminine; effeminate (usually of a lesbian or bisexual woman, but sometimes of gay men). COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG
Fuck buddy

- :Someone with whom one has sex but with whom one is not involved in a relationship. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Jock

- An athletic, muscular man. See stud. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Kinky

- :Very varied, explorative, wild sex. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Smooth

- :Hairless; often used to refer to a gay man lacking chest hair. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Straight

- :Heterosexual. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG

Metrosexual, removal

this word is not used exclusivly nor created by the GLBT community i should be permanently removed

These terms are NOT gay slang; though they are still used in the gay community, they retain their meanings even out-side the gay community. Thanks to Jdredmond for the tip! --Julien Deveraux 07:51, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Other gay slang listings

I think it would be good to mention other gay slang listings. In particlular I think there should be a reference to-

Rodgers, B. (1972). The Queen's Vernacular; a Gay Lexicon. San Francisco: Straight Arrow.

It's where I learned a sailor was a "Chicken of the Sea"


Removed, III

...as not gay slang, or as nonsense (several of these items have been removed before and/or discussed above):

Brown Eye, Brown Star
an anus
Drilling
Rough anal sex.
GLBT
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered. See also LGBT.
Hetty
Somewhat pejorative term for someone/thing that is heterosexual
Hung
Having a large penis; being "well endowed." Often well hung.
Kink
Having a kinky quality; a fetish, an unusual sexual proclivity.
Meanwhile
Term sometimes used by gay men to point out an attractive man walking nearby. (Source: the movie The Broken Hearts Club.)
Mince
To walk (usually affectedly) in short steps in the manner of an effeminate gay male; (British 1950's journalist's comments about Liberace, a middle to late C20th US entertainer) :"...deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavored, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother-love". Usually pejorative. Derived from Polari and no longer confined solely to gay usage.
Punchfisting
Fisting, but with a fist instead of with the fingers streched outwards.
Switch
Someone who is both a bottom and a top. See also Versatile
Teabagging
Popularized by a John Waters movie. Can refer to a go-go dancer placing his scrotum on the forehead of a bar patron (originally it was a practice practiced at the Bottoms up bar in Kings Cross, Sydney where the stripper would place his scrotum in the glass of the patron); also, placing the testicles into the mouth of a sex partner, usually from above, and often with a "dipping" motion.
Über Dyke

(also spelled Uber Dyke) A very butch lesbian (über is a prefix meaning "overly so" in German).

Uncut
(also UC): uncircumcised.
Well hung
see Hung.
Zegers
A pretentious, pompous, and/or overly egocentric homosexual. Considered mildly offensive.
Zhop
Term taken from Orson Scott Card's "Homecoming" series. Originally, according to the book, an archaic term meaning anus.


Exploding Boy 00:11, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to repost

If I'm wrong that "Sticky Charly" is not gay slang, please someone repost it with citation, if possible. I've never heard this term and neither has google.

Moved list to its own article

I moved the canonical list of words and phrases to its own article. It was overpowering the main reason for this entry: to provide an encyclopedic definition, explanation and history of gay slang among various cultures. The article was little more than bookends to a modern Polari term list - or an LGBT version of Wiktionary. - Davodd 06:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been nearly 6 months, and this article continues to languish. Why we need to have two separate articles--Gay slang and List of gay slang words and phrases--instead of one integrated one, I don't know. Exploding Boy 05:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
In my observation, the list article is basically a bunch of unreferenced original research (at best). This article, although small, is at least referenced. Davodd 03:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The list is gone :(

Ok, I may be coming into this a bit late. But it appears from this talk page that when the list of words was part of this article, it was well taken care of. After it was split, it deteriorated and was deleted. Is there any point in trying to get some of the most common terms back in here? We have words that come from Polari, but not words that come from English with non-standard meanings. I don't think that would turn this into Wiktionary. Wiktionary has separate articles for each word. A list of the most common slang, in the context of an article about slang, is something different. It seems to me that having it in one place could help avoid a bunch of dicdef articles. Thoughts? --Alynna 18:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed Butch, Drag, and Troll from the list of Polari words. Troll has been in use for quite some time in heterosexual communities and common parlance, both in the noun and verb forms. Butch has its beginnings in America back in 1945 as a variation in the use of the proper name, and though it most likely originated with LGBT populations it also saw common use as an insult. Finally, drag is not Polari and has its actual origins in the theater slang of the Elizabethan british theater.