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Contents 1 Merge proposal 2 Number of students 3 a little exaggeration 4 Louis Jacobs

[edit] Merge proposal

I think Sunderland Talmudical College should be merge into this article, as it was merely a forerunner of today's Gateshead institution, and not a separate entity

This is factually incorrect. Sunderland Yeshiva was founded about 15 years later than Gateshead Yeshiva. Moreover, Sunderland Yeshiva still exists as a separate yeshiva having no connection with Gateshead Yeshiva.--Redaktor 18:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well in that case, it needs to be made clearer that the two institutions are separate. The implication from reading the Sunderland article is that "it moved to Gateshead" so hence it would not be unreasonale to assume that it "became" the Gateshead Yeshiva. If I mistakenly inferred something which wasn't true, then that is a failing which needs to be corrected by someone who knows more about the subject than I do.

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 22:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sunderland Yeshiva moved to Gateshead, where it continues to be known as Sunderland Yeshiva. Would you like to suggest a suitable form of words to avoid ambiguity?--Redaktor 23:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Done

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 23:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of students

I think that it only hits 350 for a month or so, when English yeshiva bochurim return to England and stay there until the beginning of the winter zeman. For the rest of the year, I think 200 - 250 is a much more representative number.

Mr FFB 17:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a little exaggeration

"one of the most prestigious yeshiva gedolas in the Orthodox world". I really don't think anyone in the Orthodox world in Israel or America would put Gateshead in the list of most 10 (or even 30) important Yeshivas. The current Rosh Yeshiva (and those before him) and almost all of the prominent alumni are relatively unknown out of Europe. 128.139.226.37 21:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Gateshead Yeshiva would be recognised widely as one of the top 10 yeshivas in the world. The previous rosh yeshiva (Rabbi Leib Gurwicz) was a very prominent figure in the Orthodox Jewish world, and the current rosh yeshiva is well-known in yeshiva circles in Israel and America. --Redaktor (talk) 15:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Louis Jacobs

User:Redaktor has removed Louis Jacobs from the list of alumni, with the edit summary "Louis Jacobs not an alumnus of Gateshead Yeshiva".

Can we clarify this?

According to the obit in the Independent, "Born in 1920, Louis Jacobs grew up in Manchester, where he attended the local rabbinical school and went for advanced studies to Gateshead." [1]

The Forward wrote: "Identified by his teachers as an ilui, a talmudic genius — renowned even then for his prodigious memory and sharp intellect — he went on to study at the Gateshead Kollel, which at that time was considered the Oxford of rabbinical academies. The only native-born student at Gateshead in the late 1930s, Jacobs came of age among Central European rabbinical students and scholars who had fled the growing Nazi threat. The classic German model of rabbi-scholar shaped Jacobs’s rabbinic profile." [2]

And the Telegraph wrote: "From there [Manchester] Jacobs proceeded to Gateshead, Britain's greatest Yeshiva, or seminary, where his study partner was Leib Grosnass, later a judge on the London Beis Din." [3]

Pending clarification, it seems reasonable to add Rabbi Jacobs back into the list of alumni? Jheald (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I take the point that the Kollel is not strictly the same as the Yeshiva. Should there not be a article or a section or a paragraph here on the Kollel then, discussing its relationship? Jheald (talk) 10:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)