Talk:Garry's Mod/Archive 1

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Security concerns

could someone tell me where the info from "security concerns" comes from? it seems kind-of one sided against garry -mysekurity 05:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


All objects?

"The player can bring items into the sandbox by using the spawn menu. This menu gives the player access to every single physical object and character ragdoll in the game." Is it EVERY object? Sombody should find out. I really don't think every object is in the spawn menu.

Isn't just being able to edit everything a bit, wierd!?

Yes, I believe all objects are in the spawn menu. Ortzinator 17:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Some objects, such as the chess set (seen in the HL2 chapter "Black Mesa East"), and other random things aren't availible. But about 95% (just a guess, mind you) of the items can be spawned, so it doesn't matter. --Chris16447 19:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
GMod Plus adds a huge number of items not listed in the standard GMod menus, but I don't recall if the chess table is one of them or not. But a clean install of GMod does leave out a lot of potential objects, but does include, as far as I know, every object with physics properties. Errick 04:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, one can manually add spawn code for any object one wants. All models within HL2 are accessible trough Gmod.
You can spawn objects that aren't in a spawn list by clicking the small folder icon on the left side of the spawn menu. This lets you browse through all the available props. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr. Altaco (talk • contribs) 02:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
There are thousands of objects, the ones listed in the default spawn menus are the ones most likely to be used for posing, building contraptions etc. You can browse and search through every available object to you in the browser (folder icon.) Daveoh 19:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Any object. Although the spawn menu may not contain all of them, you can still access them from the file-view. SaderBiscut 02:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Culture Section

I believe that the culture section is completely based on POV and does not reflect the true nature of the mod community. It is true that when you first start up the game, your name is MingeBag, but it really is pointless to say that just because your name is MingeBag that you will be kicked from the server. That may be the author's opinion, but it certainly is not fact--Deemo 17:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the mod is about goofing off and making stuff, it isn't counterstrike.

Also agree, the religion section needs to go too.

It's not about goofing off anymore, now it has competative and fun multiplayer games. Ledmonkey 21:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The religion section is stupid and has to go unless some proof can be shown. NeoRicen 04:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a very stupid section. It should be removed. --Snkcube 06:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Definitely true. Most servers I go to kick MingeBags, or at least check if they're an intelligent player. Also, most Garry's Mod comics and movies make jokes about MingeBags, which have their own metaphoric form as a Kleiner model with missing animations. In conclusion, please do not say to delete a bit of information just because you didn't already know it. I have probably used Garry's Mod far longer than you, and trust me, the term is very common now. --Katana314 21:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Culture removed

I removed the culture section, because it was unencyclopedic and can be summed up as "new players create problems." Which probably isn't even true for most of them. Sum0 22:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


Picture

We should get a new picture for the article heading or remove the one that's currently there, It's from an old version and isn't a great represntation of what gmod can do. Tricadex 05:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The one just down that one could do it.

Page move

The name of the mod is Garry's Mod, and not GMod. GMod is just an abbrevation... can someone move the page back? --Bergha 20:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

update: I'll just do it myself --Bergha 20:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

apparently since my account is new (just registered), I can't move pages. Can someone else move it to Garry's Mod for me? --Bergha 20:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Alternate Game Modes

The article says, "While it does not have any actual gameplay value in a traditional sense...". Garry's mod DOES have some game modes, including melon racer, birdpoo, build to the top, build bridge, soccer, fort wars, and many others. All of these game modes are included with the mod, and have valid goals and objectives. I think the article should mention these game modes, and the aforementioned sentence should be edited, or more well-defined. It's a little vague to say "gameplay value in a traditional sense". --Smileman66 19:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Map List?

Don't you think it would be nice to add a list of maps?

--VonV 01:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)VonV

There's pretty many of them. But possibly some examples to show how it can look like. --Drakilor 07:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Lua Virus Section

NOTE: Someone has deleted the entire virus section, saying "it was dumb". This must be fixed, as viruses can be a real problem and the editor was obviously someone of dubious status.

The "Common Viruses" section is subject to change as new viruses is produced, and will probably change over time as they spread at different speeds. I suggest changing it to a list of example viruses and remove "copies" (3 scripts that grants remote access to clients is not neccessary in that case). --Drakilor 07:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Lua viruses are no longer of any consequence, due to the fact that there was a steam update that prevents lua from harming your computer or garry's mod app. The lua virus section is only applicable for Gmod 9. --Mr. Altaco
And? - I use version 9 (Since I don't intended to buy the premium version). If one day someone invented an operating system that was 100% virus proof, you wouldn't retroactively delete all the articles on computer virus' because not everyone uses the same operating system. Before now I'd never heard of lua virus' on GMod and now I'm still none the wiser. --85.62.18.3 (talk) 13:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Some Garry's Mod Concerns

Lua viruses are a major problem, so check your Lua/Init folder regularly, and if you find something you or TEAM GARRY didnt put their, you should probably open it with a text program (i.e. wordpad or notepad) and erase it, then save as a .lua, and make it read only

This is pretty much all you need to do

May i say that this is only a problem with version 9.0 and up

Here are some links to some usefull lua ANTI VIRUS programs, and links to two lists of lua viruses:


Anti-Virus links:


http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=134578-GAV

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=132785

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=155385&highlight=filecheck

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=132785

http://www.gmodsecurity.com/


lists of Lua Viruses:


http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=158549&highlight=Lua+Virus+List

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=171370

Xluavirus 08:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Creators of lua viruses

I only know his facepunch forums name, its JetBoom, or JetBoom2, and he has created the racehook lua viruses, he is a threat to Lua users everywhere, and must be stopped, if you have any additions to this, or know any other viruses creators, add them to this section, please

Actually, JetBoom is a she. And allegedly a very nice person, who is skilled at lua and released several successful gamemodes. --80.42.159.42 20:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Jetboom is a male. He asked some of his friends to spread rumours that he was a woman. Aside from creating racehook and occasionally being mean to forum members, he has made several great SWEPs and Gamemodes, and currently runs two servers that host several of his fun games.

JetBoom is a he.

He runs Noxiousnet.com too and all the servers (Zombie Survival is awesome)

Edit

Gone through the text, and tidied quite a bit. Removed repetiton, re-organised sections, added references where possible. Haven't changed the detail of GMod 9 or 10's tools, for example but made some of the English clearer. Hope you guys think it's OK. I think the article is somewhat improved. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the tools in GMod would like to have a go? Obviously, there is no point in re-producing the official GMod Wiki though... Major Bloodnok 16:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

My knowledge of Lua scripting and viruses is limited, so there is room for improvement here I think. Major Bloodnok 16:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Just gone through the text again. Removed a sentence about HL2 compatability as it essentially repeated itself (GMod needed HL2, CS:S and HL2:DM to work properly, although it was possible to make it operate with textures etc missing, which is evidently not working properly in the accepted sence). Also a few relatively minor tweaks (Garry's Mod ---> GMod throughout the body of the text for example) Major Bloodnok 07:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

SWEPs

Under SWEPs, the laserdance gun is incorrectly referred to as the "FAMAS gun"--Raznor 18:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Opps my fault. Sorry i was tired that night. Whatever, the gun is the CT equivilent of the FAMAS gun in Counter Strike Source --Nukethewales 13:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Lots of changes

Did a lot of MAJOR changes here, corrected some things, added a lot of information on GMod 10, changed some things under 'GMod 9 Mods' and tools, cleaned it up.

Deleted info about 'objects such as buildings being imported from hammer', as it was misinforming. --Stylus 15:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Advertising my site(s)

Is it ok to put my website at the bottom of this page or is advertising disallowed? Joe Mariachi 21:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Disallowed. Wikipédia is an online encyclopedia, not some kind of forum.
Unless you can convince the Wiki Community that your site is very relevant to the page (which happens to be Garry's Mod) and provides facts and information about it and not some product or unrelated information, then yes. Otherwise, it will be considered advertising, spam, or flat out vandalism. Don't. DEMONIIIK 05:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

The article needs cleanup. A BIG one. And also, some fact confirmation:

"However, there will be no Garry's Mod 11, because Garry's Mod 10 is the final version."

Where did you get this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.101.78 (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Garry's Mod 10 *is* final as far as version numbers go (or so Garry said...), but updates will still be released.

I don't see why a Gmod11 can't be done however.

87.113.4.171 16:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Technically, Garry's Mod is already up to version 16 or so, but with the retail version, there isn't a version number like old versions, it's just Garry's Mod now, and will be for the foreseeable future. The Decryptor 18:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested Edits (since I'm still a wee child in the Wiki world)

Just minor changes... Perhaps on that "LUA Viruses" section, someone could be so kind as to take that last snide remark off? The one going something like "[...] but people still download .lua files from servers for gamemods and such, thus proving Valve failed and lied." It may not say that but the author of that statment may as well have written that. Please change it to something more like "[...] but people still download .lua files from servers for gamemods and such, so some Lua viruses still exist, but are very hard to spread." Perhaps, also add a sentence saying that lua viruses don't affect the computer in any way, but can make a Garry's Mod play expierence annoying and at most corrupt gamefiles, assuming they aren't being used at the moment.

Also, could someone change "Garry's Mod Retail" to something less 'ugly' like "Garry's Mod (retail version)"? Please? I only ask this because who calls a game "GAME NAME RETAIL!!!" (unless the game is ABOUT retail... anyway).

Random requests done. --DEMONIIIK 05:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The "free download" part

Wouldn't it be better to link the download to the official website, not download.com? (the official download link still works) Ericlaw02 10:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Mistake with magnetize tool

Under the magnetize tool for gmod retail in the article, it states that it only sticks to props, and does not pull. This is incorrect. There is a checkbox labled "no pull." when checked, the prop has no pull. when unchecked, the prop pulls things towards it. Mr. Altaco 02:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Get rid of the gmod 9 section

Gmod 9 is old and now totally unsupported! Why is it the better part of the wiki page? Garrys Mod 10 should be the main topic. Or mabey they are 2 topics, in which case they should be seperated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.230.170.210 (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Have moved the Gmod 9 section down the article - given that the software is still freely available, I think its inclusion here is still valid. As it is not the most recent version of the software it is less important => lower down the article. I removed the sentence in the pop culture section which had no citation to back up its claim about memes, and therefore tag as well. I also removed a non-encyclopedic section about viruses and lua:

So, unless an established GMod Lua scripter decides to lose their reputation (since usually, .lua scripts are highly criticised by the harsh video game community until they make good stuff that everyone wants), most .lua scripts will either be at least slightly obvious to the average GModder that they have viruses in them, or they will be 100% clean, and at most, glitchy (but only because of inexpierenced users or weird updates through Steam that conflict with code, so nothing bad or frequent...)

Too much editorialising and lack of citation here - there may be a point to be made, but it can be put in a better way. Major Bloodnok 20:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Add Facepunch to Links.

Someone should add the facepunch link to the links section, since it is the official forum and a supportive community. http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/


Done and done. --Xinjinbei 18:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)





Oops, it was already done. Undone and undone.--Xinjinbei 18:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)



Not worth it. Okrainets

Day of Defeat is not a mod

The image with the american soldiers preparing to attack a german AA postion is made with models from Day of Defeat: Source, which is based on the HL2 engine, but it's still a standalone game sold in stores. DoD was used to be a mod to Half-Life, but DoDS has never been a mod. 217.211.211.182 17:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wire Mod

One of the really cool Garry's Mod addons that I think should be listed is Wire Mod, which adds electronic components to the kinds of things you can spawn. --CCFreak2K 14:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I edited out the image links and related descriptions (they broke). --CCFreak2K 11:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I have checked out this addon, and it's absolutely worth mentioning. I was simply stunned by the abilities it adds to Garry's Mod. Here's a 'definition' from the Wire Addon Wiki: "[...] This mod allows the user to spawn gates, sensors, inputs and outputs and wire them together so a working computer-like contraption can be made in Gmod10. The gates are connected with wires, which are beams that act as a medium to carry the output from one wired entity to an input on another." Alkalu7y 16:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Lua/Virus Section Deleted by someone again.

I'd replace it and all but I'm extremely new and have no clue how to fix it I have the text and all though so it should be no problem to whoever can do that.

--ExplodingAcorns - Exploding the Acorns in life. 17:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This section talks too much about Gmod 9 compared to Gmod 10

There has been a lot of new game mods such as Zombie Survival and The Stalker added, while none of this is mentioned. I think Gmod 9 Mods such be turned into Gmod Mods. OBEY STARMAN 17:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and would go ahread adding things, but I'm not sure of a good way to organize it. Cubed05 02:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
On reflection, maybe it's time to substantially trim Gmod9 - I'm not sure it's inclusion in such detail is still relevant afterall, except that maybe to point out how it helped to increase the popularity of Gmod.
Given that it's features are very similar as GMOD in it's current form, a detailed list of features is surely redundant.
Accordingly I will cut it down to size, and replace the pic which has been removed.Major Bloodnok 15:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Lack of support for the free version

I have noticed that there is now a complete lack of support for any free versions of gmod and Garrys own web site wont even link to a free version anymore, and that any of the old free versions will not even run anymore in Steam. Is this the case? Has it turned into a "pay or stop playing" model? If so, it should be added right near the top that gmod has turned from a free modding community item into a commercial enterprise JayKeaton 07:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

They won't run, because it's unsupported, and newer steam updates have broken it, there are work around though (which only delays the inevitable) 60.240.224.231 09:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
All free versions are completely unsupported. I don't think Valve deliberately meant to break it in a Steam update, but neither Valve nor Garry will fix any problems. Cubed05 00:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The logic isn't "pay or stop playing", $10 is a meal at mcdonalds, and there is more - and more diverse - free content for gmod10 than there had ever been for gmod9. People who expect gmod9 to be kept current at no cost to themselves are looking for a free lunch. 121.45.46.27 12:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This is correct, "[...]$10 is a meal at mcdonalds[...]" is what made me buy Garry's Mod 10. The mod is worth $10, it's a small amount of money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkalu7y (talk • contribs) 11:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Garry's Mod 9 is still in the mods list on Steam website. There is no download link, though. Alkalu7y 12:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

External Links

I've removed a large part of the external links, mainly fansites. Wikipedia is not a repository of links and generally 3 fansites are the max an article should have. Also I removed a link to the Wiki since it is a link on the first page on the list. SpigotMap 20:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

What happened to this article?

What happened? This article used to be really long and filled to the brim with information, but now it's been super condensed. Actually now that i think of it, the article had a lot of irrelevant stuff in it. -User:Color-Copycat �Preceding comment was added at 04:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

People thought it contained too much information apparently. 65.10.102.36 (talk) 04:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I feel we should revive this article. There's a wealth of information that can be used, and I feel the overview section can be retailed to be like http://www.garrysmod.com/about/ and even grab information from Garry's own blog http://garry.tv/ - There are also plenty of unofficial sites documenting tutorials and aspects of Garry's Mod. All of which can be used to verify each other. ElliottB (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

SVG Logo?

I added an SVG version of the GMod logo to Wikipedia, but as I'm new I can't add it in myself. Do you think it would be useful to use it and if so would someone add it instead of the PNG? The filename is Gmodlogo.svg - thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohanuk (talk • contribs) 17:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Image changed. Thanks for the SVG. Alkalu7y 16:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Community Links

Would anyone object to the addition of links to Community sites in the External Links section? It did at one point read <!- DO ADD new links without discussion-> A number of links were added, but all, including my own, were removed by another user.

Bradfirj92 (talk) 15:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


Yes, Wikipedia is not a collection links. Only links that were offical were kept. Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 04:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Awards

The links in the Awards section are all broken. Can anyone find some replacement links or something? Weeliljimmy (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

Why is it on again? --CCFreak2K (talk) 06:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Because of vandalism Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 21:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

History and Lua

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfu Maybe someone should write up about the history of GMod and it's support for Lua Littlerippa (talk) 08:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Culture

While the argument over why MingeBags deserve to be so heavily ridiculed is still unclear, with supporters of newcomers to the game on one side, and the veteran players on the other, it still draws in fans all over the world every day. Whether they are ridiculed or not, they will eventually pass through the MingeBag stage, and either become decent experienced players, become havoc-enducing problems, or true veterans with skill and manipulative control enough to create some of the wonders in the Garry's Mod world. Nobody has ever started this game as an immediate professional player, although some are more civilized, more mature, and more intelligent than others.

signing for archiving Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Bugs

Self explanitory, but the whole "steam update messing with gmod" definatly needs to be adressed. (TheTrueMrJack) *Does not have profeile yet*

-HDR update cause a line to go across the screen and destruction of modcache. -Friend Newwork destory all tools.

signing for archiving Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

several items left out of spawn menu

as far as ive seen, up to 100% of the items (i.e. chess set) in HL2 are effects. the original spawn menu misses up to approximately 65% of the items in HL2. gmod+ v1.6 adds at least 30% of those missing items to spawn menu SOMEWHERE. as far as i know, all effects are their, now, meanning that 100% of the items, atleast, are not spawnable. go play HL2 after typing: sv_cheats 1 in the console, and look at everything you see, and type: impulse 203 while looking at it, to delete it (if it is an object) if you cant spawn it in gmod, its missing.

signing for archiving Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

gmod is released

gmod has been released could you please remove the unreleased tag from that section

Yeah it's been released remove the tag!

signing for archiving Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)