Talk:Games for Windows - Live

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I'm not sure we should call the image currently in the article the "logo." I think it was probably just a graphic used to present the service at E3, just like the title of any other slide might be semi-stylized. Tophtucker 01:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The Live Anywhere logo, as seen at E3 2006
I think that until we see something closer, it should stay. PureLegend 20:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I made that logo for communicative purposes. It is NOT from Microsoft. It was purely illustrative to accompany my blog post. Longzheng 00:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Mass Effect Windows Live

Mass Effect for PC is being published by EA, not Microsoft. BioWare has not confirmed that Mass Effect for PC will support Games for Windows Live. http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=619548&forum=125

According to a Gamespot preview[1] Mass Effect for the PC will not use GfW - Live.

[edit] Halo 2 Vista

The article says it will work with Live Anywhere (I changed to Live For Windows or w/e), then says it won't be. I'm not too versed in this topic, so can a more learned editor please make the correct change? Thanks.XXDucky21Xx 00:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)



[edit] New name: Games for Windows - Live

I moved the page to the new name ('Games for Windows - Live', including the dash), based on the press release. Jschuur 19:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Is the program going to be be vista only or will it be ported later on to xp? If it's vista only does anybody know of a site that has tried porting the beta already ?

I haven't seen the dash anywhere else since. Can we drop the dash? PureLegend

The dash is what Microsoft uses in all their official press releases and such, it should be kept in my opinion. SeanMooney 21:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the dash is there to stop any confusion with the Windows Live brand of web-based tools and applications. And as said above, it's how Microsoft refers to it officially. Espiox 23:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms

"It should also be noted that PC games have, up until the release of Windows Live, not required any additional fee to play online except for handful of games, typically MMORPGs such as World of Warcraft. This change to paying an extra fee on top of the cost of an internet service provider encourages future games to have similar extra costs and may turn off many from games they might otherwise have purchased. One bonus to this is that if a user already owns an Xbox 360 and chooses to subscribe to the paid version of Xbox Live, their one paid Gold account works seamlessly across both platforms, making the service more appealing if the person owns both Microsoft systems." -Entire section removed because it is completely false as the comments below have already proved. The last part was also removed because it was not a criticism as alos mentined below.

Shouldn't something be mentioned in the criticisms about PC gamers being used to not paying for online FPS's? Registered99 15:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

They aren't paying for multiplayer. PC-to-PC multiplayer is 100% free. Users only pay for the premium Live-only features like cross-platform play, achievements and TrueSkill matchmaking, which will mostly appeal to those already paying for Xbox Live Gold anyhow. Espiox 16:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The criticism section seems nonsensical, because it only focuses on the fact that developers developing a game under the Live brand may choose not to include certain features. This has little to nothing to do with Live. Unless someone makes a compelling argument, I'm removing it. 82.95.254.30 18:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

There are also several recorded instances of development companies bashing Windows LIVE, saying that it has the potential to destroy what PC gaming has typically stood for by making people pay for what has traditionally been free, that is, if it gets anywhere at all; several of these developers have also mentioned the fact that there are several services that provide LIVE like features for free, i.e. Xfire and Gamespy, among several others. Unfortunately, almost all these quotes I have seen have been in magazines and do not have direct quotes on the web that I am aware of. I will keep my eyes open for such quotes and try to post them as I find them. Seraphimneeded 02:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Under criticism, it says that FPS games have been traditionally run by clans and played on player-own servers. I really don't know what they're thinking of here. The golden age of PC multiplayer was brought about thanks to services like TEN (which was for pay), MPlayer, HEAT (GOD I miss that service) and Gamespy. Also, as mentioned above. Also, the complaints that this will change what is traditionally free to a paid service is unfounded, as Silver memberships are free. The only things you must pay for are premium Gold features, such as "TrueSkill matchmaking" and cross-platform play.WraithTDK 12:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed "If you also have Xbox Live, you can link your Xbox Live Gamertag to your Games for Windows Live gamertag via Windows Live. There would not be any additional cost if the Xbox live file has Gold membership and Vice Versa." not really related to any criticism and this commnet is more like a defence for Live then criticism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.219.138.254 (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism remove

The criticism section is written as a NegPOV hit piece and is totally without any citation. It should be removed in-total, I will be doing so soon. Wageslave (talk) 06:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tray and Play

"Many Games For Windows certified games are playable during the game's installation, making PC games more convenient and more similar to console games, in that players aren't required to wait until the game's installation is complete before they can play the game."

Is it nessessary to keep this paragraph in the GfW Live article? It's not really specific to Live titles, as it's a feature that will bein non-Live titles.

[edit] Capitals?

Who capitalised Live everywhere? It is officially not capitalised, and I believe Wikipedia doesn't allow for it, even if it's trademarked (see PlayStation 3) 80.41.146.239 11:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the official spelling is in all capitals. See here and hereEspiox 20:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's funny, as in some places, MS use the other way [2]80.41.146.239 15:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the GfW support site, they seem to use "LIVE" for GfW/Live Anywhere, but "Live" for Xbox Live. I'll make some adjustments in this respect.Espiox 23:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I say we use Live. It's preferred on gaming sites, and nearly all places outside of Microsoft PR.
LIVE is preferred on MS sites[3][4] today, but before, Live was preferred[5].
Since Wikipedia does not use 'fancy' trademarks, i would vote for Live. Scepia 03:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Im confused!

To use this program, do you donwload it, similar to Steam? Or its it something only accesible in a game that supports it? --Elven6 22:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:GfW-Live 2.jpg

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BetacommandBot 12:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:GfW-Live 3.jpg

Image:GfW-Live 3.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 12:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section

The criticism section is written as a hit piece and without any citation. It is almost totally Neg-POV attack. It should be removed in-total at this point, and if any relevant, cited information added back into the relevant sections in the future.

It is wholly without value at this point.

Wageslave (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)