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[edit] Needs massive expansion

This article requires a lot of work. There's so much from DS9's "galactic-political" theme that could be incorporated here. There's also alot of supposition present at the moment, eg. the Klingon Empire was established as an Alpha Quadrant power in DS9, not a Beta Quadrant one. And what's with all the clock allegory? Can't we just label the quadrants as north-east quarter, south-east quarter, etc.? I'll try to revamp this when I get time, but is there anyone else who could have a go in the meantime? Ben Hawkins 23:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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I agree, the article does need a lot of work. I just made some corrections and standardized some of the language so that the article as a whole is more uniform. Also, I added a new category 'Trivia' in which I placed a note someone had written about quadrants in general (the note had been placed under 'Delta Quadrant'). FractaL 12:14, 01 August 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Milky Way

Has every episode in every ST series been confined to the Milky Way galaxy? Would the "center of the universe" in ST 5 still be in the Milky Way?

No, they've gone beyond tha galaxy, at least twice in TOS, and I think once or twice in TNG. Cyberia23 17:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The didn't go to the centre of the Universe in ST5, they just went to the centre of the Milky Way. Branfish 03:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Distance from alpha

How can the delta quadrant be the furthest away from the alpha quadrant? According to the description, it should be equally as far as the gamma quadrant, no? That's discounting wormholes, of course, which I think is only proper. --Yamla 20:37, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Sorta, I guess. The center of alpha is fartherst from delta. Cburnett 20:43, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I'll attempt an answer. Technically, the Alpha Quadrant never touches the Delta Quadrant except at the very core of the galaxy where the corners of each Quadrant meet. To get to the Delta from the Alpha, you will have to travel through parts of the Beta or Gamma Quadrants to get there since travel thorugh the center point is very dangerous. Not only are there a ton of stars in your way, but also a massive blackhole (Sagitarius A) lies there. So in a sense, the Delta Quadrant would be the most distant from the Alpha Quadrant. Cyberia23 17:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah, but did you consider that Space has three dimensions? No, I didn't think so. It is actualyl possible to go over or around the 'centre of the galaxy', and still not go into either the Beta or Gamma Quadrants.
The problem is that the current article says the Delta is the furthest from Earth, which it also says lies on the line between the Alpha and the Beta. So the Gamma and Delta are equally far from Earth. 172.168.47.165 03:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but Earth is considered by Star Fleet to be part of the Alpha Quadrant, even though it lies at the border of Alpha and Beta. So, it's the farthest by quadrant reference only. Physically, yes, both Delta and Gamma are the same distance away from it if you wanna get technical. Cyberia23 01:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this confusion comes because Voyager was supposed to have ended up much further away from "known space" than even the Dominion (the Gamma Quadrant). In fact, of course, the Quadrants are certainly big enough for the Dominion to be nearer the Earth than the Array was, even though the Quadrants as a whole are equidistant.
BTW, it's interesting that Earth is a sort of galactic Greenwich, I suppose that's a perk of founding the Federation 8-).Daibhid C 00:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • In the episode "Year of Hell", we see a map of the milky way displayed in Astrometrics on the viewscreen. When Harry/Seven plot the new course home, it shows that the ship will pass through the Beta Quadrant. MitchellO 17:02, 20 September 2006 (AEST)
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[edit] Earth in α and β quadrants

If the line separating the α and β quadrants starts at the center of the Milky Way and runs through the center of the solar system, then Earth spend 6 months of each year in the α quadrant and the other 6 months in the β quadrants. Yet the dialog that I vaguely recall seemed to imply that Earth was in the α quadrant. --Gerry Ashton 03:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes Earth is only ever described as being in the Alpha Quadrant. Maybe it is in the Beta Quadrant during the summer when the show isn't on? :P MitchellO 08:57, 03 October 2006 (AEST)
LOL. Maybe the galactic meridian has little zig zags in it around worlds it would otherwise cut through, like the prime meridian on Earth so that places cut in the middle by it have decided what side of the boundary their entire nation lies on. Earth apparently decided to be in the Alpha Quadrant. Cyberia23 08:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fact and fiction?

I don't quite understand the fact and fiction template on the page. The first sentence says that this information about something fictional, so one would assume that nothing of the following is scientific. --84.178.83.107 21:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TODO

Need to check the Encyclopedia to see what it says. I gather it explains how the thing with the meridian running through Earth was made up in order that lines like "but we are the only ship in the quadrant" still vaguely work. Also, when did Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta Quadrant usage start? Mid-TNG, I expect - I was watching a season 1 episode and it was using "quadrant" in the sense "an area smaller than a sector", which was the TOS usage. Also, Star Trek Star Charts (attribute this in text), see what we can get from the episodes. Could we find a source noting the discrepancy between DS9's portrayal of Klingon/ROmulans as Alpha-quadrant powers with the Encyclopedia/Star Charts maps, which show them in the Beta quadrant? Are there any on-screen references to Klingons/ROmulans as being in Beta quadrant at all actually? (possibly implied in Star Trek VI). Morwen - Talk 12:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

nb also some interesting memos in POe's Voyager book from Mike Okuda saying the show should be set in the Delta quadrant. Morwen - Talk 12:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I did a rewrite per this. Note Encyclopedia and Star Charts actually contradict each other over the position of the Romulans/Klingons. Can't find a source about DS9's use of the term Alpha Quadrant. Morwen - Talk 22:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
It's probably fair to assume that the term "Alpha Quadrant powers" was used simply as a shorthand to distinguish it from the Gamma Quadrant Powers. I don't recall precisely, but I'm pretty sure that in the episode, the term was used to encompass the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and their minor allies, and since it was initiated by the Federation (most of which is located in the Alpha Quadrant) they got to name it. Also, since "our" end of the wormhole is located in the Alpha Quadrant, most of the staging posts and rallying points were located there, which could be another reason why they were designated so. Obviously I'm speculating here, but I'm doing so only to make the point that the description of the Klingon and Romulan Empires as being in the Beta Quadrant is not necessarily inconsistent with their being grouped in with the "Alpha Quadrant powers". Branfish 03:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Borg

The article states that the Borg have space in the Beta Quadrant as well as the Delta. Can anybody cite a source for this? If not, I'll remove it. Branfish 03:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 21:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)