User talk:G michalakis

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[edit] Iakovos Nafpliotis

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I have responded to you at Talk:Iakovos Nafpliotis. -- JLaTondre 15:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Based upon the links you provided, I'm convinced. I have restored the content. -- JLaTondre 01:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Simonas Karras and Iakovos Nafpliotis

KK Well, I have the creation of an article about Karras in mind,


GKM If you are so careful as to his "research", may I suggest tha you be just as careful with his name == KARAS with just ONE "R"


KK but it just needs its time in order to show all the aspects of the research he has done about both Church and Traditional music, and how he showed that they in fact are the two sides of the same coin. As for the picture I don't know whether it is copyrighted, so there may be a problem with Wikipedia administrators.

GKM The picture was given to me along with the 18 volume opus of Angelos Boudouris by the Boudouris Family along with an authorisation to scan as much of this work so as to provide it for free to all those interested

KK

Concerning the links you provide I would suggest that you put them in a special position below the article, so that the style ( "hyphos" ;-) ) of the article conforms to the wikipedia guidelines. Remember, the article is not a sandbox, so attention must be paid so that it is easy to read and get the information it provides.

GKM I don't know how to do this, and I'd appreciate any help.

KK

As for Simonas Karras,

GKM Karas

KK I think that we should follow the NPOV rules and not turn Nafpliotis' article into a battlefield between the so-called "Hypermachoi" and the followers of Karras.

GKM Iakovos' life is about a STAND he took against ANYTHING non traditional I decided to use SOME of his words of caution as brought down to us by his biographer. I'll add more concerning others later on.


Since Iakovos said this about KARAS, I don't see why it should be removed or why it should be considered as a "new" battlefield : there were ALWAYS battles in the area Iakovos excelled in and this is just ONE illustration of the problem.

Your Simon Karas page will most certainly give all the "good side" of Karas.

It's only fair that Iakovos' comments be known as well.


KK

As anyone may see, the last two paragraphs (the one that pre-existed and the one sentence that I added - that as I see has recently been expanded -


GKM

Of caurse it was expanded : the Iakovos page shouldn't turn into a Simon Karas publicity page either. There's LOTS of room for his "contributions" elsewhere.

KK

because you presenting the opposite opinion) deal in fact with the on-going disagreement about Karras and should not - according to my opinion - take so much space in Nafpliotis' article, when there are so few things written there about Nafpliotis himself.

GKM I don't think that there are just a "few" things concerning Iakovos. There's a lot about his teaching method of which I supposed to know quite a bit.

Later on, more details concerning his everyday life we will added as well. The "hypermachos school" vs the "Karas school" debate DOES in fact exist and Iakovos CERTAINLY did take POSITION against Karas well before the start of this "battle".

Iakovos took stance against others as well, but the one against Karas is where he expressed himself CLEARLY.

KK I don't have much time to spare for wikipedia right now, but I hope that you will be kind enough to clean up the article and make it more "Wikipedia-compliant",


GKM

I don't know how to do more than what I've contributed till now


KK but when I'm done with some papers I have to prepare for university, I'll be glad to continue improving the articles concerning Byzantine music and all the great people involved in it. --K kokkinos (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


GKM

My guess is that you'll do EVERYTHING to get rid of whatever Iakovos said against Karas.

My conclusion was MORE than fair: it gave Karas credit for his "research" and expressed how even today MANY are those who hang on to Iakovos as a STANDARD; not only in CHANT, but also in confronting anything that is not traditional.


ALthough I trust your judgement concerning "wikipedia standards", I really don't trust your "musicological" and "historical" intervetions in this particular article as well as others in which I will write concerning other TRADITIONAL psaltis.

My guess is that someone else should mediate this page.

Thank you.

Georgios K. MICHALAKIS

[edit] Second reply by K kokkinos (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all thank you for the reply :-)

I preferred to used the spelling Karras instead of Karas so that english speakers would be facilitated with the pronunciation; it's similar to the case when single s is pronounced as a greek zeta and ss is pronounced as a greek sigma. So rr provides for a more spanish-like instead of an english like "r".

Well, your guess is wrong... There's no need to get rid of whatever Iakovos said against Karas (as you prefer the spelling), as there's no need to prove his research. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. I've started now collecting material for the Karas article and I hope that with the grace of God I will be posting them up soon. As for the "I don't trust..." paragraph I would suggest once more for you to read the wikipedia guidelines, especially the "you are not alone in Wikipedia" part.

Moreover, when you decide to post a new article on Wikipedia, I'd suggest that you first edit it in a sandbox in your personal space and then upload it at the public space for articles. I'd also advise you to be careful about the capitalization and the number of quotation marks you use as some may find the resulting document offending, and I suppose that it is not what you intended to do. Finally, apart from using your name, it would be a good idea that you sign your posts with the time and your username by using ~~~~.

Here are some pages you could take a look at:

K kokkinos (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)