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[edit] Definition of "future"
This is very partial to a "linear" concept of time where we learn that"time" is a "place in "space-time".
Surely we have to start with the definition that the future is that which does not exist, indeed has never yet existed, but neverthless will come into existence at the precisely the moment that it realises its fullness. Also known as the fullness in time. Harry Potter
- I'm the one that started that page and wrote the linear concept of time thing..
- I think it's hard to define something like "future" if we don't accept a linear conception of time (at least referring at short time-scales...just like when we see the ocean as flat when we know it's spheric). This doesn't mean that time must be linear. I just want to point out it's quite hard to define future without this assumption.
- I don't see your definition as fully correct,for example. It is hard to say for example that "the future is that which does not exist", because implies a conception of existence that's dependent from the time. If we see the existence as a property out of the timeline (or timecircle,or what),the future exists. Even more difficult is to accept "indeed has never yet existed", because if time is not linear,future already existed,for example! But if time is linear, nothing prevents things in the future to have already occurred in past,at least theoretically. Last,I can't really understand what do you mean by "fullness"...think it's really vague,isn't it?
- Anyway,your reflections are welcome. Hope to hear your reply soon!
- Yours,
- Max
- I admired this page so added the paragraphs on philosophy; I think this may clarify some of the disputes.
- adjusted definition to multiple views of the future found in modern philosophy and elsewhereJiohdi (talk) 21:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Science POV
This page is very Science POVed. examples: "Figures pretending to see the future, like a prophet or a diviner enjoyed great consideration and even social importance in many past and even present communities" And the "Cosmology" section which uses only the scientific theories despite the article on cosmology stating that it can be philosophy and religion as well as science. User:Furius
[edit] Manifest future
Future: That which is not manifest in consciousness (i.e not the past, rather events which are forgotten and therefore bound to be repeated) and that which is not manifest at this moment (i.e. not the present).
The future is difficult to discuss in English because the language does not enable its speakers to express future actions. “will” only expresses predictions and “be going to” only expresses intentions. Justin
[edit] to Come
like waiting up all night for the sun to rise. something you expect, in which you invest hope and an element of faith, but that same something that is so very vague that its concept is fleeting to the human mind. we, as humans, cannot fathom that which we have not already experienced to some degree. and so we can imagine the future as a mere extension of the past and present, but we fear the discontiguous as the future leaps from the now to the then. and what of that break? the future is an inevitable change. so linear. but if the future repeats, then it truly is predictable.
But we learn from history that men don't learn from history.
and then?
-- { Shannon }
- I agree with this, we certainly need to be united under one flag so we can accompish more
[edit] Worldwide view
This page needs more about other cultures' views of the future. (In particular some many indigenous American cultures have a circular view of time.) Please improve this if you know something about it, or tell me if there's another article that already covers this. Grandmasterka 00:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The FutRE
Look peeps. The future will have robot cars and everyone will be outitted wit jetpacks. I saw this in a dream. I think there should be mention of this in the article. If you need further info, wait for tommorow morning, I migt dream about it again. Please put my name in it so i can be popular in the future. Dont be afraid to spice it up and make it more interesting if you want.
Listen This AIN'T nO jOKE..wHAT IF WE R REPEATIN THE SAME THINGS OVA AND OVA..I'M SORRY BUT I'M TIRED OF GOIN ROUND AND ROUND...YOU WILL SEE ME IN THE FUTURE...TRYIN 2 RUN 4 PRESIDENT..IF HILLARY DON'T (WIN)....CAUSE SHE WILL;)...FOOD 4 THOUGHT U DO THE DISHES
[edit] Has yet to occur?
I think that has yet to occur gives the wrong impression that the future is already defined it just needs to happen. Come up with some clever rewording. --[Svippong - Talk] 23:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- "Has yet to occur" is fine, in my opinion. Events that have not occurred yet and will occur are the future. Events that have not occurred and will never occur are not. Saying that the future comprises of events that have yet to occur is perfectly fine and does not imply any kind of predeterminism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.139.47.141 (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
eh?! -_- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.163 (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Nomination
I have nominated this article for Collaboration of the Week; please vote for it so that this article is improved. --Freiberg, Let's talk!, contribs 18:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stub?
This page still has the stub warning at the bottom. It is now quite long, so should it be removed? Macbi 11:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Aristotle
This part struck me as a bit of a leap without as thorough an explanation as I'd prefer.
"Regarding the existential status of the future, there are multiple hypotheses. Aristotle, for example, having been asked ‘will there be a sea-battle tomorrow?’ is said to have responded ‘either there will or there won’t be a sea-battle tomorrow’: the implication is that statements about the content of future events may be understood as neither true nor false."
I would say that Aristotle was implying a contingency rather than a Schroedinger's cat thing. It isn't that the waveform functions of possibility have yet to collapse that Aristotle was pointing out. It was that for one to exist as an actuality the other *must* collapse. Either there will or won't be a sea-battle but both will not simultaneously be true. I don't think he was pointing out that statements about the future are neither true nor false, especially since exactly what Aristotle said about the future was completely true. There would either be a battle or there wouldn't.
It's an interesting concept to me because it means the set of all possible events is limited. There definitely won't be 30% of a sea battle tomorrow.
I hope I'm not splitting hairs here.
This page also goes into a bit more detail on the subject and you might want to reference De Interpretatione:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_the_futures_contingents
Thoughts?
Demelzack 06:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Schroedinger points to difference between subjective and objective epistemology: the functions HAVE collapsed, we just don't know which way, so in a SENSE, they haven't. It is important to see it this way: 'There either will or won't be a sea battle tomorrow, or their neither will nor won't, or there both will and won't is STILL not a statement that encompasses all future possibility.' It is important to recognize that Aristotle's statement may, in another sense, be true, but it does NOT pertain to the content of future events. Ark2120 (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
yES i'M gL;AD u ASKED cause there called profits..u've seen them...don't be afraid..lol....just use your brain more...
- to my understanding no one has eliminated the likelihood of a purely random element existing as all or part of the true nature of things. QM indicates that particles may be truely random at the some level and in groups of trillions this seems to all but vanish to determinism on the macro, but not 100%, some randomness can still creep in over the long haul... meaning that no future is completely destined to occur, though the likelihood of some rather than others remains. If M-theory proves true, then pure determinism holds sway in 11 dimensions, but cannot be predicted in our normal 4 due to the exponential loss of data which would still occur even if it were determined in only 4 dimensions. This data loss occurs whenever you sample a continuous function as the sample rate can never reach 100% or infinity.Jiohdi (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Australia?
What does the demographics of Australia have to do with "the future"? Surley then we could add Germany, the US, Namibia, Saudi Arabia etc. to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.75.167.214 (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My contibution
Who knows what will happen in the future? Some scientists paint portraits of doom and gloom, whilst wise men deliberate over what could possibly happen. Philosophers have deliberated over methods of telling the future. H G Wells has written a book, "The Time Machine", about a man who travels forwards in time. He finds a strange human species that is fed on by the Morlocks. Morlock holes are also what Ben Hanscomb calls the air vents they find in the Barrens in Stephen King's book "IT". Some fotrune tellers including Patrick Moore believe that you can tell the future from the stars. People ask "What does the future hold?". In the end you have to realise that although you can predict things you can never be sure about them. David Hume points this out when he writes about causation. You can predict that when you play billiards, the ball goes in the direction caused by physics. But you can only know this because every time you play billiards the ball goes in that way. Who is to know what will happen the next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawsinthedrawers2 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
another view- to me the future is really just a distorted reflection of the past re-imagined and projected ahead in the mirror of the mind. the only future we can discuss is made of anticipations and guessing based on experiences as well as hopes, dreams and desires.Jiohdi (talk) 21:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Potential
There is so much potential here in this article... well that's kind of a given being it is about the future. But there is so much to talk about. Seeing into the future, philosophy of the future, nearly certain things going to happen in the future. I guess this article is mainly just a homage to the errors of wikipedia. A subject which cannot be breached properly because of logical limitations. Then again I am just making it worse by not editing it myself... Chitchin13 (talk) 23:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've reduced the article from Start class to Stub class in Wikiproject Time. It still remains a Top priority, and there are already a host of articles about the future which could be pointed to from this article, without it degenerating into a List or Disambig page. --Yamara ✉ 16:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My Future Prediction
This new section for those who want to tell any thing which they fell going to happen in future:
My Cast For Indian BSE sensex: "Its going to get a great gain today will go up lets see what happen" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uknown Dost (talk • contribs) 08:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Overhaul
This article has been problematic since its inception in 2002. I checked the history for useful stuff, and was generally disappointed.
The article has been plagued with issues of OR, and I suspect editors have been reluctant to add to it, since the future, by its very nature, is not known for certain, and is therefore hard to consider encyclopedic.
But the consideration of the future is covered in vast detail in nearly every discipline. While I have not sought any citations or references yet, I have broken the article into discreet sections that invite expansion and explication of how the future is consdered by different sciences and humanities.
Multiple expansion tags
I threw expansion tags on most of the individual sections to emphasize that each discipline's take on the future needs separate attention, Simply having one tag at the top of the article risks another few years of rambling, generalized essays. The future of the future deserves better. Cheers, Yamara ✉ 03:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
