Talk:Full Moon o Sagashite

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[edit] Images

Two things:

  • 1) The image in the infobox should be a cover of the manga (preferably Japanese, but doesn't have to be, though Amazon.co.jp would be a good source) because that is the original version and the nominal focus of the article.
  • B) The characater thumbnails are overlarge, overmany, and seem to be choosen as the busiest possible image. Man, it's painful to scan down that list. Surely there's some cleaner color portraits available from the manga. Also, we should probably reduce the number to the key five or six characters.

I'll try and poke at these as I work on cleaning things up, but I'm not the best hand at image management, so if someone stepped in here I'd be quite appreciative. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on 1. Japanese manga cover would be best, if obtainable, else the english one. I can add that in a bit if you want. For 2, I had tagged the for having too many non-free, but the tag wasn't showing up. Just fixed that. Collectonian (talk) 17:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Amazon.jp, alas, seems to just have a thumbnail of the cover only. English cover from Amazon it'll have to be, unless someone tracks down a different bookseller. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I've uploaded the English cover of the manga and removed the other image (which I suspect is a bootleg DVD cover *sigh*). I also went ahead and took care of the other non-free images. Collectonian (talk) 07:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Bootleg? Oh great. Based on which release, I wonder? --- Not that it matters. I wonder if we can find an anime screen shot with multiple cast members. Won't be the manga, but will be prettier, and the character designs didn't change much. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure, but the cover was snagged from one of the original release covers, modified some. Blech. For the characters, good question. I know there are several with at last Mitsuki, Takuto, and Meroko, and probably Ooshige and the doc as well...but they are in the episodes lovely Viz may not bother releases *kicks them for a box set gosh darnit* *ahem* Other than that, we may have to settle for just the three-some, which should have plenty of together shots throughout the first half of the show. Collectonian (talk) 18:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought Viz was back on track with releasing the DVDs? Or did they go back on hiatus at the end of the year? I suspect also we should get Mitsuki-as-Full Moon, to show how she's different -- dunno if there are any in the anime, but the manga has a couple pictures with her in both forms at once. Um, as splash pages obviously -- just like Ranma sometimes appears in both forms on covers. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure on Viz...I haven't seen any solicitations yet for the next volume and they usually announce early. If it were on schedule, I think 8 would be due in March?
I seem to remember one scene from the anime where Mitsuki was looking at herself as Full Moon and wondering who people loved, but not sure if it was all in one frame. If so, it might be a cool one to use. If not, I think a manga one would be fine or we can see if there are any promo images we could use. BTW, do you think we should break the characters out into a list of? Collectonian (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll look through the manga again, um, sometime soon I hope. *adds a note to the research list* For the character list, I think I'd like to finish cleaning it up (and Reception and Music) and seeing how much we have, compared to the rest of the article. It's likely to be a reasonable thing to do, but I have a better feel for balance when it's all in one place. —Quasirandom (talk) 07:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Probably right. I'm about due for a reread of the series, so I'll keep and eye out and try to add in the summaries at the same time. :) Collectonian (talk) 07:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
If you get to it before me, go for it. BTW, do you think we have at least a minimal number of references we can remove that tag? More will appear perforce when I add more reviews (especially manga reviews). —Quasirandom (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Should be good for now. I've removed it. Hopefully I can also find some time to replace the reception section with prose relatively soon. Collectonian (talk) 17:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

(outdenting) One other cleanup issue -- could you check the names against the spellings used in the licensed manga? The character list uses alternate forms willynilly right now. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll give them a check tonight (and I noticed that too...we got stuff all over they place there). Collectonian (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
BTW, speaking of the Reception section, in addition to the review of the DVD v1, ANN has two other reviews of the anime: a preview of the whole series and a brief notice of vol 2. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep...there should be some good reception stuff available, at least for the US, since its still being released (hope/pray). I'll also look for some manga reviews. I'll also check the anime encyclopedias I have on hand, but I think its too new to be in there. Collectonian (talk) 22:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yanno, aside from the table in the Reception section, we don't have much more to clean up. The Development needs more work and material, and the Characters could use more character and less plot, and there's more to add, but we've scrubbed most of the, well, dirt out. —Quasirandom (talk) 05:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep, detagged. :) Thanks for tackling that...I've been so busy of late, I'm getting pulled in too many directions Collectonian (talk) 05:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original research?

Collectonian: Since you tagged the article, could you amplify on which parts you are identified as original research? So that editors can focus on sourcing those. Always helps to have a target, either identified or specifically tagged. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you already sourced all the parts I had questions about, or did individual tagging, so the OR tag can come off. :) Collectonian (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hah. Right - on to building up the manga volumes list. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey...Viz left the original kanji names of the chapters in the manga volumes, but I have no idea how to type those in. Any ideas? :P Collectonian (talk) 02:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
That's beyond me. I'd ask for help at the Japan wikiproject. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interview with Tanemura

ANN has an interview with Tanemura that has useful information about the background of the series. Putting the link here to not lose it, and in case someone else *cough* can make use of it before I do. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I'll see if I can get to it. I've been enjoying the edit summaries on your cleaning up *grin* Collectonian (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
When you work in small chunks by nature, identical summaries get boring. I've used the interview as the source for Mitsuki's hairstyle, so the reference can be reused. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names

I'm working on the English names from the manga now. Most are the same except the English ones have none of the Japanese symbols, and Full Moon is written as Fullmoon. I also moved second names into the prose, such as Meroko's real name. Hope that helps. Collectonian (talk) 07:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

So the title is Full Moon but the character is Fullmoon? Um. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep, that's how its spelled in the manga. Not sure why though I guess because Fullmoon is her "created" stage name, while in the show title, it translates to "Searching for a Full Moon" and also ties to Mitsuki's name.Collectonian (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
So should we list her Japanese name as Furumūn instead of Furu Mūn? —Quasirandom (talk) 19:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, now that is the question :P When I ran the kanji through a converter, it comes out as Furumūn rather than Furu Mūn. However, it might be good to ask someone for the project with more expertise in Japanese to see what they think? Collectonian (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Be hard to tell, since Japanese is written without spaces. The scanlators (not that they're reliable sources) took it to be Full Moon. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but that's what we tend to expect it to be spelled as since that's why we do it in English. For Viz to deliberately make it one word, makes me think maybe Shueisha or Tanemura told them it was intended to be a single word. I took a look at the anime. On the CDs and posters shown n the series, it is written "Fullmoon" (in English). Its also said in English, which makes me wonder where the Japanese name is coming from? Collectonian (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
If it's shown as Fullmoon in the anime, that would make it definitive. Wouldn't be the first time an English word or phrase has been used in a way slightly off from standard English useage. I'll change it to Fullmoon (for the character) in the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

BTW, could you confirm that Sōichirō Shidō is the English spelling and Shidou Souichirou is the Japanese? I would expect them reversed. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You would be correct. Shido Soichiro is the English, while Sōichirō Shidō is the Japanese. Collectonian (talk) 23:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Takuto's name, though? He has different ways of writing his name: His name was written as Kira Takuto when he was human (family name, first name), which was written as 吉良拓人. When he became a shinigami, his name was written in full katakana, with his first name being... well, first:　タクト・キラ. This kind of defines the boundary of his past and present, and it becomes fairly obvious that "Takuto" is not just his shinigami name when Wakaouji sees him. Justicebullet (talk) 05:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

From my understanding, his human name was Kira Takuto, while as a shinigami, it was reversed to Takuto Kira and the way it is written is changed, though its pronounced the same. So when Wakaouji see's him and recognizes him, he calls him Takuto, the name he called the human who knew. It seems most of the Shinigami's names are similar to their human names, in some way or another, both giving a boundary to their past, while also maintaining the connections they have forgotten (which fits with teh ending of the manga, not so much with the anime). For Meroko, her Shinigami name is an anagram of her human name, while Izumi's name is simply changed from Lio to Rio (perhaps do denote the fact that he didn't forget most of his past like the others normally do). Collectonian (talk) 05:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mitsuki's design

One of the sentences marked for citation says that Mitsuki was modeled after one of Tanemura's assistants — she was. In the Full Moon wo Sagashite glossary at the end of vol. 7, Tanemura notes that Mitsuki was modeled after Airi Teito. Justicebullet (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I've put in a preliminary bibliographic citation for that -- don't suppose you can cite the other bits without footnotes? —Quasirandom (talk) 23:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I fixed up the citation (it was in the first volume that she really talks about Mitsuki's design). I've checked the first three volumes, and haven't found the part about Jonathan yet. Collectonian (talk) 00:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
You rock. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :) I found a reference for the art book and added a section for it, along with Viz's planned release. Collectonian (talk) 01:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Yay Viz. I may get that. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)