Talk:Fruit of the Holy Spirit

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Hi, Glad to see you starting an

article; please take my comments as well-meaning. So far, the article does nothing but quote the actual text. An encyclopedia article should state why its important in a broader context, give background information, show its importance and any other points of view. Wikipedia is not a place to simply quote scripture or religious messages, however well meaning they may be. DavidH 03:31, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, there is only one brief paragraph of quotation. The rest is what I wrote.
Surely the actual Bible verse (Galatians 5:22-23) that lists the fruits should be quoted! It is mentioned at the end, but not actually quoting it in an article about it seems strange... Ben davison 17:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fruit Of The Holy Spirit

There are 9 real fruit of the Holy Spirit and they are:

  1. joy,
  2. love,
  3. peace,
  4. patience,
  5. kindness,
  6. generosity,
  7. gentleness,
  8. faithfulness, and
  9. self control

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.96.241.8 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 2006 November 14.

Yeah, those are the 9 Christian fruit. Catholics add generosity, chastity, and modesty[1]. Which, I'm not Catholic, I'm Baptist. But someone really ought to mention that the other three are Catholic only. Jrdaigle1000 02:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up required

I think there are several areas where I think the article needs work:

  1. The biblical form of words is the "Fruit of the Spirit" not the "Fruits of the Spirit". So the article should be moved.
  2. The grammar is poor, eg. "In the person who possesses these characteristics, this is a life-change including their behaviour." The clauses don't agree.
  3. Firstly it reads a bit POV, in that it sounds more like something from Every Day with Jesus than an encyclopaedia.
  4. A level 2 (==) heading is not required for each of the fruit - a better way to explain the fruit can be found in article about the Catholic doctrine of Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit
  5. The issue of whether they are one unit or many is a bit pedantic. I always though the singular was used because there was one Spirit not one fruit, e.g. "the fruit of the apple tree is...". Besides I've heard too many sermons saying we should reflect on each fruit/characteristic separately.
  6. Don't use out of date translations of the Greek and Hebrew, use something like the NIV or ESV.
  7. It needs references
  8. Finally, remember it's an encyclopaedia article so it should discuss sources, historical development, devotional use, and its relationship with other "... of the Holy Spirit" topics. An example of a more encyclopaedic article can be found here.

This is a whole lot of work, sorry about dumping it and running off but I think the article on this important topic needs an overhaul. Journeyman 04:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above and I'll try to do some of it. 199.71.183.2 16:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Patience: The current version tells us that this can be two words in the Greek, but not which one is used here. I'm beginning to suspect that the original author here just took the nine words and quoted the Strongs's reference for each. 199.71.183.2 17:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)